Will Biden try to weasel out of debates?

If after these last three years you still want more Trump then there is no point in engaging you further.

 

Let me know when it occurs to you that "the virus coming here at all" does not automatically equate to a domestic "pandemic."

 

(Shrug) I said much the same thing back in 2012 regarding the political Left when they were absolutely determined to re-elect endlessly race-agitating and nation-hating Barack Obama after he colluded with the Russians to be . . . more . . . flexible.

 

Reading through this thread I was amazed at how many people seems to have forgotten this. Also people may have forgotten but Trump is not a strong debater. He often comes off as being unprepared and has very ill-informed. Remember the "nuclear triad" issue? Trump best debate attributes is to try to appear strong and throw one-liners or insults but when they get into policy details he flounders. Luckily most viewer's eye also gloss over when politicians go into policy details.

 

You've reneged on promised post-election talking to's before.

 

Dodge noted

So what could the President have done to stop the COVID virus from coming here at all and be specific.

 

You are trying to blame it on him. He did what Biden would not have and then went by the experts what to the President himself do that caused the problems we faced and still do?

 

I never said or implied that Trump could have stopped the virus from coming here at all. I said he is a ****ing failure at handling this virus and that is precisely why America is arguably the worst of the entire planet at responding to this virus.

 

The bolded is precisely correct. Let's review a partial list of all things he did which Biden would not have done.

Trump spent a great deal of time, in the beginning when it was the most critical, praising China for their response to the virus. His advisors were quite concerned that he was being too lenient on China.

After Trump initiating the partial travel ban from China, he repeatedly lied about the virus - saying things like, "it will go away one day like a miracle" and "people say it will disappear in April" and saying things like "we are not worried about a pandemic at all."

Trump repeatedly downplayed the threat of the virus saying things like, "people can still go to work" and "this virus is completely harmless for 99%" and "we shut it down very quickly."

Trump touted the benefits of the virus by saying things like, "I like the fact that Americans will spend their vacation money in the US because of the virus."

Trump repeatedly lied about the testing by saying things like, "anyone who wants a test can get a test and the tests are perfect like the transcript was perfect." He refused to ramp up test production because he was worried about the impacts of confirmed numbers on his re-election. His CDC was slow to provide tests and refused, for weeks, to permit the States to obtain their own.

Trump repeatedly disputed and contradicted public health experts like when he said "I don't think an outbreak is inevitable" immediately after the public health expert said an outbreak was inevitable and saying "I disagree with Fauci, I think we are in a good place" just yesterday.

Trump repeatedly attacked Governors and Mayors for being insufficiently appreciative of the federal government response and engaged in misogynystic and political attacks by doing things like saying "that female governor of michigan" instead of just using her name.

Trump refuses to wear a mask despite the fact that doing so could very well influence millions of Americans to do the proper thing. Trump holds large in door rallies despite it violating every single CDC guidelines. Trump moved convention locations because the NC governor refused to promise that he could fill up the entire venue.

I can keep going if you like.

 

First a lie is KNOWINGLY telling a falsehood which you haven't even come close, as you note people were telling the President. And yes the VAST majority of people it is realtively harmless, what percent of those who contract die? And he was correct that there were lots of governors who were the failures not the Federal response. Trump praised China because the head of the WHO was praising China and then we learned different and to the dismay of the left he started blaming China and I bet you complained when he did.

So what would Biden have done different other than not instituted the travel ban which saved thousands of lives?

 

Every single point from that list is something that Trump did, which Biden would not have done.

And doing those steps alone would have reduced the number of lives actually lost to Covid-19.

 

Biden would have done nothing but get us bogged down in government bureaucracy while letting the world to continue to come in. The original test were flawed and not because of the President, the new test were ramped up and as he notes we have test more than most countries. It remains for the vast majority of cases it is relatively harmless. Vaccine development ramped up and he cleared the way for it just like with the testing, Biden would have kept in bogged down in the bureaucracy. Biden work with big business to get PPE's and ventilators.......spare me. Heck he would probably have it confused with measles at this point.

 

not lied to the public repeatedly for starter

 

Yes. The weasels who guide Biden will not allow him to debate Trump.

 

This is yet another one of those threads that is going to age really badly for the Trump cultists. The problem is that nobody brings up such threads later and rubs their faces in how deluded they were. I'll have to remedy that. If Trump cultists have to pay more of price for saying the insane things they say, they'll stop saying them so much.

 

Considering how many people in Trump's WH have become infected w/Covid, the only replacing will be that of Trump, either in November's election, or due to the fact he will be infected by then and will be forced into quarantine.

 

All those hypotheticals are really cute in the fact that they are wholly made up.

Meanwhile, Trump - in the real world - did repeatedly lie about the virus, downplay the threat of the virus, touted the benefits of the virus, slowed down testing, placed Americans in greater danger intentionally, explicitly refused to listen to health experts, repeatedly attacked governors for being insufficiently appreciative, and continues to encourage Americans to not abide by CDC pandemic control measures.

But here's your problem guy, I know that you will never criticize Trump for his response to the virus and I know that you will never believe he did anything wrong. But a significant majority of the voters disapprove of his performance. They are watching their loved ones die while Trump tries (and fails by the way) to hold large in person rallies.

Trump started his administration by trying to ban "disease ridden foreigners" from entering the country and he has now made Americans into those disease ridden foreigners who are banned from entering other countries.

 

Meanwhile, under Trump's failed leadership, America has had more deaths than the entirety of the EU. Despite possessing almost 200 million fewer people.

That is why:

 

- OK ...

 

Does the EU have large groups of minorities who were violating the social distancing laws as we did here? What did the EU do different than we did?

 

No more hypotheticals than you other than we know Biden opposed the early travel bans which hugely kept down our infection rates. Here's your problem, Biden is a beurocats best friend and would never have taken the aggressive steps as did Trump or worked with the outside businesses to get things done. He would have been more like Cuomo who is responsible for the nursing home deaths that ramped up the deaths in his state and then warehoused ventilators instead of us having them where they were needed. And yes pointed out where governors were failing and now has to balance the economics with the medical. Biden would have been hard pressed to even remember there was a virus and would have been proclaiming 124,000,000 dead.

 

124,000,000 dead was not a lie? Of course had we followed his advice that might be true.

 

➡ As of July 8, 2020, Belgium had the highest rate of coronavirus deaths among its population in the European Economic Area at 85.6 deaths per 100,000 population. The United Kingdom has the highest number of confirmed coronavirus deaths in Europe, which is also an incidence of 66.8 deaths per 100,000 people in the country.
Taiwan & S Korea did very well as they were aware of the virus. Taiwan told WHO . No other nations were informed as WHO refused to disobey the CCP.
Good chance that China is going to collapse due to this "secret" pandemic they released on the west .

 

The EU does not have a minority of truly stupid white people who ignore public health officials in favor of a Le Pen, you are quite right in pointing that out to us.

 

They do not have Trump for a leader who refuses to wear a mask and encouraged the States to re-open their economies before meeting even the minimal standards for a phase one reopening laid out by the CDC.