Will FOX news succeed in making Bush the nominee?

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Will FOX succeed in making Bush the Republican nominee?

  1. Yes, the media has that power

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  2. No, voters can not be manipulated

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  3. I disagree with the premise of the OP, FOX is completely neutral

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  1. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    FOX news is the voice of the RNC establishment. in 2008 and 2012, Fox systematically brought each Republican candidate into the spotlight - starting with the most conservative and most outsider personality - and with that spotlight on then blew that candidate away declaring the candidate had said or done something in their life by which they can't win.

    The result? The only candidate left standing was the "moderate" - ie McCain and then Romney.

    In my opinion, FOX already has being doing this again and will make Bush the nominee by a process of elimination. The only VERY long shot potential that it is not Bush is Trump - and FOX has been sniping at him continuously - only pausing to focus on crimpling Cruz enough so he can't win.

    Do you think FOX will succeed in making Jeb Bush the Republican nominee?

    (I think there is a 1 in 10 chance Trump can get past FOX, otherwise its Bush - like it or not - by elimination of the others.)
     
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    Phoebe Bump New Member

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    I think that if Fox News can get a stiff like Jeb Bush past even establishment Republicans we're going to have to take a long, hard look at the effects of news media on our election process. In other words, I don't think Ailes can pull it off. Not in this life or the next.
     
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    I disagree with the premise. I think hat FOX wants the most conservative person to win, i.e. Ted Cruz.
     
  4. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Watch them take Cruz down. Listen carefully at the subtle ways they do so. They will increasingly present that he is unstable and a flipflopper, plus a kook. At the same time, there will be increasing subtle praises about how Bush is climbing in the polls and how he's starting to get his game on. This all absolutely is going to happen on FOX.

    Cruz has no chance. Fox and the rest of the establishment media will assure this. Watch it happen. It will be very methodical as they have done this to candidates many, many, many times before and it always has worked.
     
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    Nordic Democrat Well-Known Member

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    The problem for our country is that the establishment, ruling class' interests are against what the people want, whether right or left. They control us, I hope for a Trump vs Sanders contest.
     
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    They aren't going to take down Ted Cruz in a debate. The man's a national debate team champion who's successfully argued cases in front of the supreme court. He lives for this stuff.
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have the same hope. That actually allows a choice.

    A Clinton v. Bush election? The outcome is the same regardless of what it is.
     
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    Fox is so fair and balanced that it would never even think of manipulating the voters. Right ? They are now aren't they ?
     
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    Fox will have little to no impact in the success of Jeb winning the nomination , It will be the ability of raise huge sums of money that could make a difference . In any case he will NOT be the nominee !!!
     
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    What debate? The debates make little difference. They'll take him do in their 24/7 presentations on FOX News, with the rest of the media committed to taking down Cruz as well. There is no debate in that.

    That is the mistake most candidates make. They don't realize it doesn't matter what their response is if they aren't allowed to make it. FOX and the media isn't going to debate Cruz. They portray themselves as the neutral overseers presenting indisputable truth. They are going to endlessly present what they claim are the relevant "facts," while sticking Mr. Yuck stickers on him by saying no one likes Cruz 100,000 times day and night - putting on guests to explain that no one likes Cruz because he's a dispicable person. And that must be true to most people because FOX and the media says its true.
     
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    Exactly what cases in the Supreme Court did the Canadian win "? Was one Phony vs Baloney !!!
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hope you are right.
     
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    He will be moose hunting in his hometown shortly !:roflol:
     
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    Wasn't Cruz 4 wins - 3 loses before the Supreme Court?

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    No moose in Texas.
     
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    But in Canada there are plenty .
     
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    Since "FOX candidates" lost ... may be it's time to change ...
     
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    The number one pick of the oligarchs, and MSM, including FOX is an arm of the oligarchs, is of course Bush. For he is from an original oligarch family, the forces that deregulated a sound banking system, giving us too big to fail casino banking, and the open borders free trade globalization that is a way to max out the income of the oligarch elites. So will MSM work to help out Bush. Of course. But they have to have others too, Rubio, Cruz, but not Trump, at least so far. Trump represents on the right, what sanders does on the left, an America that is sick and tired of the oligarchy, and zere representation in congress and the oval office.

    For anyone to get a handle on America circa 2016 requires an objectivity that partisans are incapable of having. And so the left and right partisans are disconnected from reality. The actual reality is, our democratic republic is no longer existing, an oligarchy is, and the mountain of evidence for this fact is out there, but the partisans will not look, or if they do look, they choose to remain in their delusion, created and maintained by partisanship.

    So the oligarchs who have been able to control who the candidates are, and then it matters not to them if you vote democratic or republican, for they will get who they want, is in peril in this cycle. Because of sanders and trump. And its got them scared (*)(*)(*)(*)less, you can bank on that. For you do not question free trade, no sir. And you do not talk about breaking up the too big to fail banks on the left. And our borders need to remain open enough so the cheap labor can come up for the oligarchs. For you cannot max out oligarch profits, if you are not allowed to exploit the communists in china and Vietnam for their labor, or exploit illegals and HB1s for their cheap labor. That is the truth here, but partisans, in their great delusion, can never grasp it. Such useless brains, these partisan brains. And these are the brains that allowed our economic model to be changed to one that hollows out America and kills the American dream that progressivism gave us, and the neoliberals took away. Bush is a giant among neoliberals and oligarchs.
     
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    Well said. The partisan sheeple, the mob, is the problem, yes.
     
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    Exactly, the one thing everyone has in common on left and right is populism. Sick of the establishment!!!!!!
     
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    Cruz argued in front of the Supreme Court 9 times. He also drafted the amicus for the Heller case which struck down infringements on Second Amendment rights.

    Meanwhile well Ted was arguing in front of the court, and defending our rights your boy Donald was giving $250,000 to the Clinton Salon and Massage Parlor Foundation.
     
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    Oh please, Cruz was able to make his points multiple times during the last few debates. What your doing at these events is working to get your message across, and at time taking it to the media. Like Cruz did against CNBC.

    This is just acting scared of the media, so you take your ball and go home. That's what losers do. Reagan skipped a debate, lost big in the primary, and fired his campaign manager for giving him bad advice. You don't cower in front of these people, you fight against them.
     
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    Normally I would say yes, but this is Trump we are talking about. That wasn't an idle boast when Trump said he could kill someone and people would still vote for him.
     
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    If it was up to Roger Ailes, John Kasich would be the GOP nominee.

    Kasich and Ailes have been friends for a long time, and Kasich was on the Fox payroll from the time he left Congress until he ran for governor of Ohio.

    Ailes allowed Kasich to openly campaign for himself on Fox (which says a lot about Fox's lack of ethics, and makes a mockery of "fair and balaced") and gave Kasich a million dollar donation.

    You may also recall that Ailes and Fox mysteriously put Kasich on the main stage and kicked Rick Perry off for the first debate, thereby keeping Kasich's foundering campaign alive.
     
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    Jeb! isn't going very far in this election. The nominee will either be Trump or Cruz.
     
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    Its not like anyone takes FOX seriously anyways....However, voters can be manipulated very easily, its just that FOX news cant manipulate anyone. :)
     

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