"Dissent without permission" may sound like Orwellian doublespeak, but for Chinese, Russians, Americans and others it's a criminal offense. Will that backfire? DISSENT WITHOUT PERMISSION: WILL PROTEST PERMITS & FREE SPEECH ZONES HALT OR HASTEN REBELLION? )( IN CHINA, "protesting" without a permit - which defines and limits where, when and how you are allowed to "protest" - is punishable by stiff fines and/or imprisonment for several years: Rising Protests in China http://tinyurl.com/84epz4j Lack of Freedom of Speech and Censorship in China http://tinyurl.com/74j9eln China's Ai Weiwei loses appeal against tax fine http://tinyurl.com/73ups22 And that's nothing compared to what you'll find in this 2012 Human Rights Watch World Report for China, e.g. "...unnerved by the pro-democracy Arab Spring movements and a scheduled Chinese leadership transition in October 2012, the government launched the largest crackdown on human rights lawyers, activists, and critics in a decade. The authorities also strengthened internet and press censorship, put the activities of many dissidents and critics under surveillance, restricted their activities, and took the unprecedented step of rounding up over 30 of the most outspoken critics and 'disappearing' them for weeks." http://www.hrw.org/world-report-2012/world-report-2012-china )( IN RUSSIA, "protesting" without a permit - which defines and limits where, when and how you are allowed to "protest" - is punishable by stiff fines and/or imprisonment for several years: New Russian Law Assesses Heavy Fines on Protesters http://tinyurl.com/6vgzwvr Post a Link, Go to Jail: Russia Tries To Silence Protest http://tinyurl.com/84muc8d And that's nothing compared to what you'll find in this 2012 Human Rights Watch World Report for Russia, e.g. "Harassment of human rights defenders continues and the working climate for civil society organizations and activists remains hostile... Human rights defenders are vulnerable to harassment and violent attack, and those working in the North Caucasus are especially at risk... The right to freedom of assembly remains problematic in Russia, where police frequently disperse public rallies held by civil society activists and the political opposition. Police use excessive force and arbitrarily detain peaceful protesters..." http://www.hrw.org/world-report-2012/world-report-2012-russia )( IN THE USA, "protesting" without a permit - which defines and limits where, when and how you are allowed to "protest" - is punishable by stiff fines and/or imprisonment for several years: Outlawing Occupy: H.R. 347 Makes Free Speech A Felony http://tinyurl.com/6mm6opp Free Speech Zones at Political Conventions Violate First Amendment http://tinyurl.com/7czwrhg And that's nothing compared to what you'll find in this 2012 Human Rights Watch World Report for "Amerika", e.g. "The US continued to have the world's largest incarcerated population at 2.3 million, and the world's highest per capita incarceration rate at 752 inmates per 100,000 residents... The federal government continues abusive counterterrorism policies, including detentions without charge at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba... 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Since you're clearly pimping for a leftist rebellion the options should be to "delay or hasten". If halt were a mandatory option then it would be "halt or cause". The free speech zones and permits to protest are simply a stop-gap measure in place until the leftists can shut down free speech and the 1st Amendment totally.
Dissent isn't a criminal offense at all. That's just your crooked cops treating it like one. If something's not illegal but you still don't like, arrest them anyway. Even if 99% of those arrested from the peaceful protest get released without charge, it still makes you sound all badass and authoritative when you boast about the "thousands" of arrests. So even without it being illegal, you can scare people out of it, use it as a deterrent, and also put the big fat arrest figure on the six oclock news so all the non-dissenters can be deceived into thinking the protests are criminal/violent whatever and not peaceful even though they are. They know they can't prosecute, but they know they can create a "xxxx arrested" soundbyte to serve their purposes. I wouldn't be surprised if they had quotas. p.s. when I say not being charged or prosecuted, this implies you were being peaceful, so still make sure to not incite violence or encourage anyone to commit a crime, get violent unless in self defense, or damage any property. Some people do wind up getting charged for doing stupid (*)(*)(*)(*) like that.
Of course, dissent is not illegal. Preventing others from speaking freely can be illegal as when thugs storm in to shout them down. And, rampaging through the streets smashing windows and vadalizing property is illegal but for the thugs it's consider dissent. Dropping your pants and (*)(*)(*)(*)ting in the street is considered dissent, too. Assaulting people is dissent. I sat and watched protests form up outside my apartment. Usually towards the end the anarchist would arrive with stolen shopping carts full of rocks and bottles of gasoline and bags full of cans of spray paint. The union thugs would cheer and clap and the "protest" would proceed. Then, when it was over, the union thugs were shocked, shocked mind you, that cars burned and windows were broken and homes and businesses were covered with grafitti. The union folks kept talking about a few bad eggs. p.s. when you're not being charged or prosecuted it does not imply you were being peaceful. It implies that you are not worth prosecuting. A few years ago I ran into a college professor who was retiring. I wish him well on his retirement and he said, "I'm shocked. You always hated me because I am a communist." I said, "You wish. I hated you because you sent kids to the barricades to get bloody and jailed while you sat at home clipping AT&T coupons." He smirked, you learn that in graduate school and said, "In the revolution we all have our role to play." "Right, and you play the one that's perfectly safe and makes money." No, often the nitwits at the "barricades" were simply dupes. They still are. When Barack Obama sent his foolish supports out with instructions to "get in their face" I knew good and well he wouldn't.
A permit to practice your 1st Amendment rights via protest should be treated no differently than requiring a permit to practice your 2nd Amendment rights via carrying a concealed weapon. Staging a protest in public should require a permit just as carrying a gun inside your jacket should require a permit as well. I don't see what the problem is here.
Unlike the 2nd Amendment rights, getting a permit for the 1st Amendment defeats the purpose. The purpose of "protests" historically wasn't to be heard but to shake things up. You can write editorials to the paper if you want to be heard. Gathering large groups together had a purpose of scaring the government, that entity that should fear its people versus the people fearing it. It is one of the only controls a citizen has on a government with guns and enforcement capabilities, the fear of the unknown. Getting a permit to own a gun--well, I think that's unconstitutional, too, but it prevents felons from ownership among other things.
Great post ironboltbruce! It's like trying to box in a nervous herd of bison by adding more balsa wood to the ramshackle squeeze-chute. Something's gonna give. Ever heard of a pressure cooker? What sits at the top? A pressure relief valve...
a person that has done their time has the same right to protect their homes and family as everyone else, license to carry a concealed weapon obviously would be denied it's no different then the 1st Amendment once off paper... a person is free to do as they like as long as they follow the laws .
and constitutionally allowed for EX-Felons, though not everyone believes in the 2nd Amendment and some want to revoke it for all .
I do have to say I have been shocked by the way protestors have been treated during the last decade, they have been abused and arrested and no one seems to care
The rules of felony offenders variate among the states. Some states apply greater restrictions to felony offenders than others. I'm not for telling individual states what to do even if I disagree. I just avoid those states.
I think there are some rights all Americans to have and one of those if to protect their home and family... but I also am not for guns in public display, like for instance the way the NBP does or some republican protestors that have pistols attached to their legs so we all have limits we think that right applies I guess... but I think the basic right to protect our homes and family should apply to all .
Yes and the shooting in Colorado this last week, the guy purchased the guns legally, was alone and snuck into a crowded theatre. He had magazines with hundreds of rounds apparently? No crowd. No protest. This guy and others like him are a far bigger threat than a bunch of stinky hippies and disgruntled factory workers who go blow off steam at the pub and griping to each other. Bottom line, when it comes to the Colorado shooter, even minutes after his attack, the NRA and GOP were defending the 2nd Amendment. Yet when it comes to the 1st Amendment, they have a problem and it "has to be stopped". Why? Rich people are worried about crowds and not enough police to protect their money. The solution is to buy off the poor. Throw them a bone. Give them universal healthcare and you can cut your police force budget by 2/3rds.. Keep oppressing them and see how long your paper laws and overtaxed police can keep them at bay.. Oh, and though I've mentioned this before, read up on Pre-Revolutionary France. The similarities are so eerily close it's stunning...
The Seattle Left-wing riots are the reason that Leftists now have to protest in certain areas. Their violent and destructive acts caused this. _
Did 10 people die there and some 70 others wounded by gun fire? No? So in what way does this free speech activity justify being "worse" while the Colorado shooter's 2nd Amendment rights [to bear assault weapons with huge magazines] be protected?
