Will the War in Gaza Ignite the Middle East?..Israel and Iran On a Collision Course

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  1. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Well-Known Member

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    Did you listen to Patraeus in the video you linked?
     
  2. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Certainly, and he has a point about shifting to those lower-cost systems as technology rapidly advances in the drone era. But that does not mean that US military spending is wasted. It takes a lot to have an army this effective, especially one that can project such force anywhere on earth.
     
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    You should go back and listen again carefully. You didn't catch all of what he was saying.
     
  4. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Oh, I think I did.
     
  5. Bob Newhart

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    So, your definition of capitalist means that the state owns 93% of all property?

    Oh, and Hitler also considered his government to be the epitome of Democracy.
    No. What I said is correct.

    But I do understand that you @fmw may be thinking about murdering all the Palestinians. So, yes, when Israel's fantasy is fulfilled and all Palestinians are dead, there will also be no oppression of the Palestinians.
     
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    Ahem, War of 1812 . . .
     
  7. Bob Newhart

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    No, they definitely do. They just consider Life and Property to be a more important human rights than butt-humping.
     
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    As far as propaganda goes, nothing beats Israel's US funded army of paid, trained and scripted Hasbara trolls (1) and their complicit pro Israel MSM (2). Regrettably, Americans who believe the omnipresent pro Israeli bias in Western MSM are no less victims of disinformation than anyone else.

    Secondly, Israel planned for and initiated the '67 War / sneak attack (3), (4) against poorly led and numerically inferior Arabs because they knew they could seize land due to the element of surprise.

    Unless you think that wars of aggression should be rewarded, there is no reason to condemn resistance against brutal, foreign occupiers who remain in violation of international law with impunity.

    Re:
    Do you realize that what you're condoning is both a cruel and immoral war crime for which people have been hung?

    Since there are about 2.7 Billion Muslims in the world who are both angry and uniting with other nation to ensure that Israel never knows a moment's peace until there is some form of justice for the victims of Netanyahu's Gaza genocide.(5)*

    Thanks,



    (1). "How Israel and its partisans work to censor the Internet"
    https://israelpalestinenews.org/israel-partisans-work-censor-internet/

    EXCERPT "As it turns out, Israel and Israeli institutions employ armies of Internet warriors—from Israeli soldiers to students—to spread propaganda online and try to get content banned that Israel doesn’t want seen." CONTINUED


    (2). “Studies continually show strong pro-Israel bias in western media”
    http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/studies-continually-show-strong-pro-israel-bias-western-media-881718416

    EXCERPT “Mainstream western media outlets are, by and large, infused with a pro-Israeli ideological bias that colors nearly all mainstream Western reporting on Israel-Palestine.

    Israel is assumed to be good, peaceful, and like ‘us’. The Palestinians, meanwhile, are backwards, violent, and foreign. These are the assumptions that most western news outlets start with..."CONTINUED


    (3). "The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him." M. Begin

    http://www.nytimes.com/1982/08/21/world/excerpts-from-begin-speech-at-national-defense-college.html


    (4) “I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions which he sent to the Sinai, on May 14, would not have been sufficient to start an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it.” (Yitzhak Rabin)

    https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.co...ttack-on-egypt-in-june-67-was-not-preemptive/


    (5). “A Textbook Case of Genocide”

    “Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?”


    https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide

    * I wouldn't think that "Jewish Currents" is "Palestinian propaganda"
     
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  9. Conservative Democrat

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    That statement ^ is about as bizarre as Holocaust Denial.
     
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    No one was hanged for deporting Germans from land they lost after World War I and World War II.
     
  11. Esau

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    Huh?

    The British are the original north Americans aren't they, mayflower pilgrims from Portsmouth?
     
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    Or as bizarre as Elon musk defending genocide in gaza at aushwitz today
     
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    Also, we were invaded by Pancho Villa and his faction of Mexican terrorists! It was of such concern that it warranted the mobilization of the U. S. Army under General "Black Jack" Pershing. This ended up being quite an international 'incident' between the U. S. and Mexico....

    Links:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Columbus_(1916)
    https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho...es then raided,goal of capturing Pancho Villa.
     
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    Since you are just as mistaken about my nationality as you are about Netanyahu's real genocidal agenda its no surprise that you have been unable to refute anything I've both written and supported.

    Are you really so naive as to think that your genocidal Zionist miscreants will ever be secure by trying murder their way to a "Greater Israel"?
     
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    You're just being evasive because you can't refute anything I've both written and supported about the topic at hand.
     
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    Please don't pretend to be concerned about innocent women and children while you're condoning the systematic extermination of tens of thousands of innocent women and children.
     
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    What do you think Palestinians were hoping to achieve when they broke the ceasefire and murdered all those Israelis, including women and children?
     
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    I think you are wrong because is very easy to prove that Palestinians propaganda is the best in the world.
    Israeli army propaganda has many LIVE opponents in Israel, even Israeli media criticize Israeli army propaganda, but life span of Palestinian who dare oppose Palestinian propaganda is very short, unless they hide in the Western World or in Israel.
    There were millions of refugees in the world, but Palestinians convinced the world that they are special case. After the WWII millions of Germans were expelled from East European countries, millions people were expelled as result of India-Pakistan war and much more, but for 700 thousands Palestinians refugees UN created special agency UNRWA - United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees, fantastic achievement of Palestinians propaganda. Today UNRWA is taking care of more than 5 million Palestinians 'refugees' and as recently was discovered they also paid salaries to Hamas members.
    Another great Palestinian propaganda achievement - recent demonstration 'from the river to the sea'. Palestinian propaganda convinced the world that Hamas did not murder, rape and kidnap Israeli civilian (including old women and children). Millions of people demonstrated screaming 'from the river to the sea..' forgetting about kidnapped Israeli children (the youngest one this month became 1 year old).
    After explosion in al-Shifa Hospital NYT and other newspaper admitted that blamed Israel because of relying on Palestinian propaganda.
    According to Palestinian propaganda Israel killed in Gaza more than 25 thousand civilians and not even one terrorist, which makes Israeli army the worst army in the world - 3 month of fighting and not even one Hamas member dead - I bet most of the world believes Palestinian numbers.

    Israel many times tried to reach peace with Arabs, but Palestinian propaganda is so good nobody remember that Arabs did not even wanted sit with Israelis in the same room in 1948 during ceasefire talks, nobody remembers that Arab response to 1967 Israel peace proposal was "The Three Noes of Khartoum": no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with Israel. Nobody remembers that response to Israeli peace proposals of Rabin and Olmert were suicide bombing in Israeli buses and restaurants. Palestinian propaganda even convinced the LGBTQ+ community to support 'From the river to the sea', letting them forgetting that Hamas is fundamental Islamic organization were homosexuality is a crime.

    So if it is not the proof that Palestinian propaganda is the best in the world, the only other explanation is...you tell me.
     
  19. Durandal

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    This sounds acceptable to me:

    Israel-Hamas war live updates: U.S. readies weeks of retaliatory strikes against Iran-linked targets
    The Biden administration has not yet finalized targets but is preparing a “campaign” that could last “weeks,” officials told NBC News, after Iran-backed militants killed 3 U.S. service members at a base in Jordan.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna136503
     
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    You are not posting debatable assertions. You are appealing to concerns I do not have.

    I am a Christian who admires Jews, respects Judaism, and loves Israel. The only Palestinians I care about are Christian Palestinians. The interests of the rest of the Palestinians and the interests of the Israelis are incompatible. There is no point in negotiating, because there is nothing to be gained by compromising.

    It is in the interest of Israel to destroy Hamas and to deport the Palestinians. That is what I want to happen.
     
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    I do believe the War in Gaza will Ignite the Middle East. With American support I am confident that Israel will won, like Israel has in the past. Israel is the only country I care about over there.
     
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    Do you really believe our response is going to be devastating?

    These guys are saying alright, they won't bomb Americans anymore but we better be careful what we do or they will target us again. That's their message and now we see if Biden is listening to them or to us. If we don't hit Iran proper we are giving credence to the Iranian claim that they do not direct the actions of these groups they fund and train.
     
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    We shall see.
     
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    I haven't said anything like that and you know it. Those are your words and they are anathema to me. Your nationality will remain hidden. I am a citizen of the U.S. I have a serious problem with those who support terrorism and the Israelis don't engage in terrorism. They are the victims of it.
     

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