Will Trump Lead the US into a new Ground War?

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Will Trump Lead the US into a new Ground War?

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  1. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you well read ?

    Below is true just not for Americans but for the British, Germans, Russians, Italians, Japanese, Aussies, etc.

    The Vietnam War wasn't that "big war."
     
  2. cupAsoup

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    Why are you making excuses for a draft dodging coward? Try to pay attention. We're talking about the fat, orange coward who is going to be president, no one else. For some reason, you revere this coward.
     
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    Trump will probably drive America into the ground. With his brainless policies.
     
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    Trump's spending policy doesn't seem very different from Obama. Both cut taxes and spend more money than we have - the main difference is Trump wants heavier tax cuts for the top bracket. Strategic bankruptcy, being an entertainer, and conning vulnerable people may help make one man rich, but it isn't a strategy that will work for the whole economy.
     
  5. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    German production right up almost to the end of the war actually EXCEEDED their production at the beginning. It was only after we actually occupied the factories that any real reduction was seen. Our bombing of their cities just stiffened their resistance, as it did in England. The only reason they weren't able to resist us that much in 1944/on was because the Russian ground troops had overrun most of their oil supplies, they had plenty of tanks and planes but no gas to run them.

    We really have no choice but to end ISIS however we can, but after that we should simply not go to war with anybody. IMO Americans are like Italians, we're actually fairly good fighters, IF we think we're in the right. What we aren't good at is being the "Agents of Empire", the oppressors who quell rebellions among a repressed populace. Americans don't really feel comfortable in conflicts with real "freedom fighters". If there's a justified rebellion we want to help, not put it down.
     
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    Or Indonesia are Trump's war ideologi.
     
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    Armed Forces in Indonesia last year.
     
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    You're right... thanks to the improved methods employed by Albert Speer, Nazi materiel production increased, but, as you point out, even with more airplanes the Germans couldn't counter the Allied bomber attacks because the Germans had no fuel. Like I said, they gradually ceased to be able to function as a country. Russians moving in from the East dislodged the Germans, and the bombing missions from England continued.

    In the 21st-Century we can rely on air power even more because of vastly improved technologies of many different kinds. It seems crazy to me that, somehow, we can't even destroy oil refineries and fields that ISIS needs for money to fund their war -- certainly, Allied bombers had no such difficulty when we were bombing Ploesti in 1943.

    Today, we should never even have to use nuclear weapons for any reason. Large thermobaric bombs can do almost all the damage, with NO release of radiation at all. These weapons have been in our arsenal for decades now, but some reason we don't use them. These would be the perfect weapons to destroy ISIS troop concentrations, depots, command and control centers, etc.
     
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    By Obama's "tax cuts" you mean this (?):

    "In 2010, President Obama signed a $858 billion tax cut deal. It extended the Bush tax cuts through 2012 and unemployment benefits through 2011. It cut payroll taxes by 2%, adding $120 million to workers' spendable income. The Obama tax cut deal extended a college tuition tax credit. It also included $55 billion in industry specific tax cuts.

    To partially pay for this, it revived the inheritance tax that had lapsed for a year. It applied 35% taxes to estates worth $5 million individuals or $10 million families. (Source: Washington Post, "Obama, GOP reach deal to extend tax breaks," December 7, 2010)" Link: https://www.thebalance.com/obama-tax-cuts-3306330

    This was little more than an extension of tax cuts that "W" Bush had already had in place! It was a convenient, politically-correct way to give away unemployment money for yet ANOTHER whole year to people who were getting quite comfortable doing nothing (and who realized that by voting for more Democrats, the 'gravy-train' might go on rolling indefinitely). :smile:

    But it certainly was not "friendly" to wealthy people -- although Obama did absolutely NOTHING to close Tax Code loopholes, shelters, and other tax-avoidance methods baked into it.

    Will Trump suggest a series of tax cuts like Obama's? I doubt it. Like I've been telling Trump-haters for the last two months, the man hasn't even taken the Oath of Office yet.... I will be much more interested in what, if anything, Trump will do to overhaul the entire Tax Code from top to bottom. And even though I voted for the man ("Anybody but Hillary!"), I doubt that he'll end the completely unfair structure of the Tax Code itself. ALL the loopholes, shelters, exclusions, and exemptions need to be removed from it, but neither Republicans nor Democrats have ever been interested in actually doing more than grandstanding and talking about THAT! Why? "Fat Cat Republicans" and "Limousine Liberals" both love the Tax Code very much as it is!​ .:steamed:
     
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    I thought the US could invade Switzerland but now I know more. Outside Europe is said to be greater chances of war. Indonesia is said to be a possible land war with. Maybe Russia are Europe in warriors in goes forward ways. US troops are outside Europe maybe true lession. But over 70 and 100 back US troops could win against Germany. Warriors way to peace maybe is stronger.
     
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    I think so too, but then you have to ask; does ISIS even HAVE troop concentrations, depots etc.? They ARE guerillas after all. Though I don't see any way they can be hiding oil refineries and so still be selling gasoline, very strange.
     
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    With whom, though, do you think? Are we going to roflstomp North Korea?
     
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    Still upset that Hillary lost the election?
     
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    Not entirely true. Germany was able to relocate some of its industry to safer locations - underground mines, etc - that allowed production to continue, but at a slower pace. Also, the Allied bombing campaign forced the Luftwaffe to keep most of its fighters in Germany and France, rather than Russia, where they were badly needed. Finally, said bombing campaign meant a lot of artillery pointed up rather than east.
     
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    Did you attack Bill Clinton who actually received his induction orders twice but someone else had to take Clinton's place twice ?

    Did you attack Barack Obama the community organizer who couldn't have served because the military raised the bar during the 1970's so Obama would have been rejected from serving.

    Think about it, one week from today Commander in Chief Trump will be returning the salute of those who will be serving under his command.

    Do you think President Trump will be saluting like an officer like Reagan did or a pansy salute like Clinton's salute or an Alinsky type salute like the failed CnC Obama ?

    Just couldn't picture Hillary saluting, can you ?
     
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    Not North Korea, they are too insignificant. China was what I was thinking more so. And Middle Eastern relations are already bad so....
     
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    Trump did spend six years living in a military environment at the NYMA saluting, marching and shooting pop guns.

    Just curious if Trump will be using those snappy officers salutes like Reagan did or the more conventional salutes like Bush 41 and 43 used ?

    I once saluted an officer using the snappy company grade officers salute and found myself standing before the company Top being advised that butter bars don't like being made fun of.
     
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    I wouldn't call that joke a military environment. Only a feckless apologist would try to make excuses for the draft dodger in chief. I'm surprised to see it coming from a veteran, but trump supporters seem to be fine stooping to new lows.
     
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    Trump won both the military vote and the veterans vote.
     
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    No one ever said you had to be smart to be in the military. It's pretty odd that people who actually had the guts to serve would vote for a draft dodger.
     
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    You misunderstand. I mean the kids of those who were stupid enough to vote for the rabid orangutan. And those who voted for him that are still of age to serve.
     
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    So... yes.
    Thank you.
     
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    I'm betting Don at least won't be doing the sloppy "coffee cup salute" that the previous Commander-in-Chief used, and sassy Sarah poked fun at..;)

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    The Marine on the right is rendering the proper salute.

    The Marine on the left, hard to tell from looking from the rear but I get a feeling he's not a happy Marine having Obama his CnC.

    Wannabe CnC Obama, a typical Alinskyite snowflake salute.



    Ronald Reagan Salute to the Military ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5fE5kXvDvA
     
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    I never get why liberals post threads like this. It's not like they said anything when it was their guy starting/continuing 3 ground wars, or that he hadn't served in the US military, or that he even gives a squat about the military on a personal level. They start threads like this to see if they can get don supporters to slip or otherwise play this stupid gotcha game that cannot be won.

    The best move is to simply not play. Progressive libs are still, but, hurt about their miserable candidate having lost, and it shows.

    The best question one can ask one of the surely, but, hurt snowflakes is why do they even care to hear the answers? It isn't likely they will listen to them, and frankly, why waste the time playing a game that only trolls for positions they clearly aren't interested in considering?
     

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