Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman

Gee how odd ... right.Mr.Fastest Poster to whine to Mods,is
found wingin' his facts agin.

 

Were they inaccurate? Do the police pull out a tape measure and somehow measure the body on the ground?

I certainly conceded there was a possibility my citation was incorrect, as there is certainly a possibility that yours was incorrect. So why not let the coroner's report be the virtual tie breaker?

 

I don't like when people say "blacks" with a negative tone and used to indicate blacks as all being urban and potential criminals.

I don't like when people call Southerner's rednecks with the implication that they are stupid and missing teeth.

Most blacks are not criminals, just as most Southerners are not rednecks. Most PEOPLE go to work every day, don't commit crimes, treat people around them well, and then go to sleep at night.

All of this left-right tennis playing has done nothing and will do nothing but create an environment where an accurate and just investigation cannot occur. Injustice is now almost guaranteed.

Martin and Zimmerman will now become martyrs, tragically thanks to the spirit of discord and "gotcha" that has become American society and culture. There IS a culture war, but it is not of our doing. Turn off TV, the Internet, and your cell phone for three days and you will see it.

 

Yes they were inaccurate, because as of right now, the police report are the actual facts in the case.

 

I'm sorry but I didn't get that from the 9/11 call.
I guess you Libs expect a 9/11 call that sounds like Cary Grant
before a black tie affair.
Yuz guys are provin' yer Intolerance second by second.
You do realize that ... I take it.

 

But we now have an eyewitness who saw the entire event.

Trayvon Martin was punching Neighborhood Watchman when he was shot.flv - YouTube.flv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zEDBqvEauYU

 

Yea. . . failure to Google is not a cover-up.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...837,full.story

In that link, his English teacher states, on the record, that the suspension was for being late. It was also a 5 day suspension, not 10. From the article:

Trayvon was under a five-day suspension when he was shot that Sunday night, but Kypriss said it was due to tardiness and not misbehavior.

"Trayvon was not a violent or dangerous child. He was not known for misbehaving," the teacher said. "He was suspended because he was late too many times."

Interesting that Zimmerman said Trayvon was "suspicious" because he was walking slowly.

 

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/anderson-cooper-interviews-witnesses-to-trayvon-martin-shooting/

Watch the interview at the bottom of the article.

 

Perhaps they were, although I presented a citation to the contrary of your police report.

 

From what I've researched the person in charge of the official
school documents regarding that had them sealed.
There would be absolutely no reason to seal any report
over mere tardiness.In fact,that would be used as proof that Trayvon
was a pretty good kid.Tardiness is very benign.
I bet it was something kinda serious.

 

No he didn't. He didn't see who started the fight. He didn't see if Martin was backing away when he was shot. He doesn't know if Martin was defending himself.

But we DO KNOW from the 911 call that Zimmerman pursued Martin. Zimmerman admitted it.

Another witness has stated that Zimmerman and Martin were on the ground but separated right before the gun went off.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/03/stand-your-ground-and-trayvon-martin/254444/

 

Actually I did google it and could not find anything. 5 days for being tardy seems like an awful steep punishment. I would like it confirmed by the school administrator with written records before I believe it.

 

What citation was that, the media reports of inaccurate information?

 

Why? How would that change the fact that Zimmerman was the aggressor.

 

Ahhh, yes we think alike.

 

That's not what an eye witness says. You know more than they do now?

 

Were they inaccurate? Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps the police report we inaccurate. I don't think that the police are in the habit of weighing bodies. I suppose we shall see, won't we?

 

yes, I know.So you do realize what that means.Whoever that witness
is will have to be smeared to Kansas city and back,and twice on Sunday
in order to destroy any shred of credibility.
It's what these scoundrels in the Lamestream Live for.
I mean just imagine if there was No shooting and just the word
" Macaca " on a 9/11 call.

 

That's what Zimmerman said.

 

These are the things that the investigation will uncover. You may be correct. And the phone call helps to support that.

However, it's also the possibility, that Zimmerman did get out to follow him, but had gone back to his car when Martin rushed him from behind. I've read that Zimmerman has a injury to the back of his head as well as his nose was bleeding and other head injuries. They should be able to prove that Martin was attacking Zimmerman IF any evidence of that is on Martin's hands (knuckles). That would make the claim of self defense more believable.

All the facts will come out. But so far, I don't see how they can claim a hate crime.....as there are black neighbors in that neighborhood who have spoken out in defense of Zimmerman already. He mentored black kids and had a good relationship with blacks.....AND his father said there are blacks inside his own family. AND he had called 911 and knew the police would be there any minute. Pretty hard to make the hate crime thing stick, IMO.

 

I've been with you on a lot of your posts, and enjoy them. Words are important. As a neighborhood watch he had every right to follow Martin even if 9-11 said it was not a good idea.

9-11 operators don't assume that everyone has guns. Their advisement was for his own protection (physical safety and liability).

Following him doesn't make him an "aggressor" and all we know is that he followed him.

What happened between the following and Martin on top of him hitting him is speculation as of right now.

We know he discharged his weapon as a result of the altercation.

Motivations are speculations. We cannot say it was racist because we have accounts of him telling a female black resident that she should buy a gun for protection.

He is liable for the death because he had an option of staying in his vehicle. Truly, this is the only mistake that we know with certainty, the only real fact that is relevant. It will be the determining factor in whether he is charged with manslaughter, unlawful killing, or homicide.

 

I agree. The feds in their original press release already said they don't have evidence of premeditation -- which is required for a hate crime. I do believe, based on the evidence, that Zimmerman was reckless and that is a legal standard for murder 2 or manslaughter but not a hate crime.

 

Yes,there isn't a shred of evidence to presume any racial intent.
Not one.Yet,that is what the narrative is.
Which is really quite scarry.How a Lamestream can literally
lynch someone in the Court of Public Opinion,even worse than
- The Ox-Bow Incident - {1943 } classic.

 

No, it was another eye witness.

 

He may or may not have been reckless. We don't really know yet. A neighborhood has the right to have a neighborhood watch and the police have already said he had the right to carry the gun. Evidently there had been some crime in his neighborhood. He probably should have backed off the guy; I would have. But who is to say he didn't turn around and start back to his car and got attacked from behind? These are the things that will be proven or disproven by those who actually have the facts before them.