Women Are Miserable

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  1. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    You utterly miss the point. It is not men who are unhappy, it is the women. In fact men are happier than women these days. That was not true pre-feminism.
     
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    It means that they are not happy.

    Look, I understand that discovering that an important part of your ideology is completely bogus. Instead of making the world a better place for women, feminism has made it worse.

    If you want to criticize the results, study them for yourself.

    Here, I'll give you a start:

    https://www.bing.com/search?form=MOZLBR&pc=MOZI&q=women+unhappier
     
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    I am the one saying that many things in the past were good. It just seems the opposite because most cannot understand the context [because they are historically ignorant].
     
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    Moderate left? What does that mean? Although I do not consider myself political, your characterization of the right is weak.

    I've chatted with many people over the years and never ran into anybody who believes they did it on their own. Obviously, everybody has help along the way, although there are some who succeed despite their circumstances. Becoming as able as you can never hurts.
     
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    You, similar to so many people believe that everything has to fit neatly into your narrative. Is it possible that people think differently than you? Is it possible that there are serious issues going on that affect the family?

    I have worked with many highly skilled and very successful women physicians over the years and I will tell you that they are [almost every one] very unhappy because they tried to do and have it all. The result for the vast majority has been broken families with incredibly dys-functional children all hidden within very nice homes with all the bells and whistles that attend.

    Nobody can have it all. Not even intelligent, high income, beautiful women. As a matter of observation, they seem to crash the hardest.
     
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    Have we? Must have been just as awful then.
     
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    There was zero inference that the post in question was addressing the deep past. It was couched in contemporaneous terms entirely.

    Nice attempt to salvage face though.
     
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    Sure Sasch. Because it's either wild libertarianism or prison. There's nothing in between.

    How cartoonishly simplistic are you going to need to remain, to keep up?
     
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    You’ve forgotten?
     
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    Earn your keep. Keep your nose clean. Don't be a burden on society.

    And FTR, it's the urban middle classes who have the largest carbon footprint due to their profligate travel and consumption of services. You got that so wrong I actually had a chuckle :)

    WTF? Big dogs? What in hell are you talking about? Getting desperate for fuel, mate?
     
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    Perhaps women shouldn’t aspire to become physicians if they can’t manage to run a family too.
    I wonder what other female physicians think.
     
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    It's 'very female', and I suspect this agitates the inner misogyny Progressive women subconsciously adopt.
     
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    I read it as the past from minute one. If the poster meant otherwise, it hasn't been indicated to me.

    Salvage what face?
     
  14. Pycckia

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    Perhaps it is the resentment unhappy progressive women have towards the happy conservative ones.
     
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    The narrative of the right has always been "pull yourself up by your own boostraps" rather than let the government adjust the playing field in any way. They point to the successful person who overcame adversity as a justification for the idea that we already have equality of opportunity. You really disagree with that? If not that, then what? I mean I guess some just say life isn't fair and my money is mine, lol.

    Moderate left are American democrats today. Despite what fox news says, most are not extreme. Far left are true socialists - the kind of people who would argue for a maximum wage or even all the same wages (which is a usual part of socialism, ostensibly).
     
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    Okay so why do you have such contempt for mothers?
     
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    I think the primary thing that causes these people to hate motherhood is it motherhood's traditional and it assumes a traditional role and if it means the progresses were wrong and that's the worst thing in the world to them.

    I'm not sure that they're wrong I think women should be allowed to pursue career endeavors if they wish my point is you can have both women that want their career in pursue that or women that want a traditional life the problem is the women who have a traditional life tend to be happier. And that's being used to convince people that maybe there was something to that grand narrative. I would consider like not necessary where the skepticism of it was certainly a good exercise in evaluation and then offering these opportunities to women who wish to take them it's just whether or not the majority of women will take them.

    Traditional behavior stands in the way of progress.
     
  18. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Generally I see it as
    That's not responsibility as much as good citizenship. Do you drive a big truck you don't need or a fast gas car? You're part of the problem. Maybe not a big part but lots of you add up
    Whenever I hear of somebody's bull mastiff eating yet another 3-year old I know it's going to be Ronald Redneck going on about how Bortan wouldn't hurt a fly and the child must have tormented him by being small. There are reasons we're not allowed to have lions as pets and not all of them are to protect the lion.
     
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    Yeh, Life isn't fair but the government ought to be. I pay my taxes just like the DuPonts so they shouldn't be able to blow up my house for fun or sell me bad gunpowder.

    I'm a sort of updated Huey Long. A billion dollars is enough for anybody. How many giraffes or private islands can you have anyway?
     
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    Not contempt, but not worship of the mother role.
     
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    I'm not worshipping it either. I'm just stating its role in our society.

    And if comparing a person who does something like motherhood to a barnyard animal isn't contempt what the hell is?

    Do you think of someone told you you eat like a pig that would be a compliment?

    You expressed contempt and do you think recognition of it is worshiping I think you're misogynistic.
     
  22. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Why?

    Most men who become physicians do so without giving any thought to how much of a dutiful father it will make them. Indeed, many do so in full knowledge they probably won't have a full home life.

    Why should women?
     
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    It would be interesting to see if women think they can combine the role of mother and physician successfully, or accept that one role or the other will have to be less than optimal, as men do.
    If women are best at being nurturers, perhaps they have no business punching above their weight, or so some thinking goes.
     
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    I would think that highly intelligent people can arrange their lives in order to ensure the best happiness for all within it.
    IMO they should have the freedom to decide from the widest range of potential lifestyles.
     
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    Or there should be more encouragement to those who want to provide childcare. That would make the cost of the service less expensive and allow women to fulfill their own lives.
     
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