Women, Hobby Lobby and the GOP: Hell to Pay in November?

What about them? What about employees who do not share their employers convictions about health care cost control? Religion doesn't supersede the rights of individuals, nor do cost control measures supersede the rights of individuals. I suspect you are talking about something you think is or should be a RIGHT, but which is not. There is no individual right to any and all health care, there is no right to health insurance, there is no right to employment. Employees of any company have the right to obtain any health care they desire, from any provider willing to provide it. They have no right to require their employer to pay for, whether by self-pay or through contracted insurance coverage, anything that violates the employer's rights. If you assert that they do, please cite these "rights".

 

The situation that I'm in now is wrong. (Ive explained it in other posts)
My rights are being violated, horrendously so with the expansion of the ruling to include all forms of contraceptives.

 

Hey, like I said before, I encourage the right to keep doing things like this. Go for it. As a matter of fact, really go for it. I encourage you to campaign to make contraception illegal altogether. Please, do it. I mean, you're going to anyway. Just do it sooner, rather than later.

 

First of all, I'd like to see proof that your insurance company wants to offer it, as opposed to being mandated to offer it. Secondly, your boss's religious rights are enshrined in our Constitution, and being forced to pay for something that violates his/her religious beliefs is a violation of that Constitutional right. Your boss's Constitutional rights trump your money under our system of government. That's why.

 

Well, the deal is this: the company is paying for a substantial part of that insurance. If the agreement was only between you and your insurance company, the employer wouldn't have (*)(*)(*)(*) to say about it. But, as it is, the company is actually the one that makes the contract in any group plan, and the employee doesn't have an individual policy. It comes down to Obamacare being a (*)(*)(*)(*)-poor law. If it was a single payer system, or if each individual had his/her own policy, then the employer wouldn't be in the picture. It does suck, but technically the insurance policy belongs to the company.

 

I want to thank you for talking to me with respect.

But the fact is... Employers are only censoring women's health insurance, due to their religious beliefs.

And btw, I don't want employers censoring men's legal choices either. That's not the answer. Yes, single payer would solve it.

 

You're welcome. I get tired of the non-stop hatefulness that is so common around here.

The thing is, the only reason employers are not censoring men's prescription contraception is that there is nothing to censor. As soon as a male BC pill comes on the market, we will be in the same boat. Until then, we are actually behind you, having no such option regardless of willingness to pay.

It's pretty insane that the government didn't do that if they were going for "universal health care". I think the whole deal was more about putting money in the bank accounts of insurance companies than any concern for the public.

 

And also...sorry for being a bit testy. I understand your frustration. What set me off was the notion that somehow women are getting less rights than men or whatever. My point is, men aren't winning either. We just had less to take away.

 

Just say the word. I'll be here. If you think Democrats are winning over the voters, I have some ocean front property in Arizona I'll sell you for a bargain basement price.

 

It's a shame that some have altered the language so much that killing an unborn child is now called a "woman's health" issue. If the aborted child is a girl, what kind of health issue is it for her?

 

Yes, you've explained how you FEEL about it, but you've yet to prove your rights are being violated. Please tell us which RIGHTS, and where those RIGHTS come from and are guaranteed as an actual RIGHT by our Constitution, that are being violated. You've yet to do that. So far, you've asserted that you seem to think you have a RIGHT not to pay for your contraception if it is not covered under your company insurance plan due to your employer's religious rights. Please explain where that is a RIGHT and where it comes from.

 

I can't speak for all men but I wish there was a male birth control pill. My wife won't take it and has latex allergies. Her solution is me get a vasectomy. How would women feel if getting their tubes tied was their only option? A male birth control pill I would gladly pay a couple hundred dollars for, even with me being against many conventional medicines.

I have watched two babies come into this world. I would certainly not want to experince that from a woman's perspective. While women do have 9 months of misery and several hours of torture I could not take. Men are liable for expenses when we father a child. Rightfully so but we are dependent on trusting the woman to have taken her meds. Or condoms which are not near as effective as the birth control pill.

20 years of having to use "home remedies" does kind of lessen my ability to buy into a war against women. The men I know who get divorced were not treated fairly by the courts. With the women using their kids as weapons against them.

 

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What about them? What about employees who do not share their employers convictions about health care cost control? Religion doesn't supersede the rights of individuals, nor do cost control measures supersede the rights of individuals. I suspect you are talking about something you think is or should be a RIGHT, but which is not. There is no individual right to any and all health care, there is no right to health insurance, there is no right to employment. Employees of any company have the right to obtain any health care they desire, from any provider willing to provide it. They have no right to require their employer to pay for, whether by self-pay or through contracted insurance coverage, anything that violates the employer's rights. If you assert that they do, please cite these "rights".

Obviously you have nothing to cite. You asked a question, I answered, and you have no response but to change the subject. Nowhere did I say that contraception should be illegal, or that I would favor something so absurd. You asserted that individuals have some right that obviously does not exist. Pointing that out with facts in no way has any bearing on the legality of contraception itself.

 

Some people vote with their penises or vaginas, while others vote with their heads...

Hm, go figure.

 

One injustice does not excuse another.

I also wish there was male birth control.
But the fact that there is not yet, isn't because of anyones religious objection.

I agree about the court system though, my personal experience has been awful from the fathers POV. The man i married had a daughter from a previous marriage. We completely got jacked by the courts, but in the end we were granted custody. (After years of court and tens of thousands to our lawyer.) Responsible, loving parents should absolutely have equal rights.

 

How many people could that be? How many people have multiple genitalia?

 

You only pay a percentage, not all of it. Why does YOUR right trump the rights of the business? Why? Do you work for HL?

 

"...at precisely the time the Democrats are counting on single females to push them to victory in November."

Helloooooooo?! This isn't a clue? Why would Democrats count on any demographic or demographics to win elections? Am I to believe that the most urgent problems facing our country are free contraceptives and so-called equal pay for women? Access to abortion? Really? Who is bold enough to make that claim, right here and now?

Divisive - That's Obama's legacy. The most partisan president in my lifetime.

 

Why should your feeeeeeeelings trump your bosses religious views? Go work somewhere else!

 

Because men do not get pregnant. There is nothing equal to compare to.

 

Sorry, doesn't work that way. I know you think that religious views should be imposed on everyone, but that's not going to happen.

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Bingo. You would think that should be obvious. But not in this forum.

 

Because her bosses health isn't impacted by the decisions her boss makes for him or her. Only what "they" decide, is impacted. But the bosses power to make decisions over the employee "does" impact the employees health and its outcome.

That's a cop out excuse right there to get your way.

 

I know you think "progressive" views should be imposed on everyone, but the SCOTUS said it doesn't work that way and it's not going to happen.

 

Yea, it's called "seeing forest for the trees".

This whole "religious/contraception going against my religious belief nonsense" is such a joke. Everyone with any sense sees the scam for what it is. And they honestly believe others do not see it. They make the bogus argument that because of certain people's religious beliefs, the employer now should be empowered to dictate the health decisions of others claiming they are abortifacient's when they are not, and that it goes against their religion. And because of that, they should be empowered to make health decisions for others? Because of religion, they get to decide what is covered under an employees health care plan, when they (the employer) have no professional expertise in health care decisions. This was more of a religious cult favored by a religious 5 to 4 cult SCOTUS decision, the way I see it.

 

"Religious" views are being imposed on me, on women. Somehow you think this is ok?
Men's health insurance is not being censored due to their employer's religious beliefs.