Workers Unions?

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    Some unions are too greedy. In the US unions only represent about 12% of our labor force. Over the years they have become the "elite" of all our workers, to the point that the average worker in many parts of our country cannot afford to buy products made by those elite workers.

    The facts of the matter are, in any group of workers, assuming they all do the same job, they are not all as productive as other workers thus do not deserve the same pay as high achievers doing that same job.
     
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    Well they're quite the problem here, strikes closing chemical plants and fire stations. I agree it is also rather annoying how they use the argument "How comes the CEO's get [insert amount] times more than the bottom workers" I am just stood there thinking, yes because the CEO's job is more important, more responsibility and harder.

    If they want better wages they shouldn't be working at a position that gets paid less than you want.
     
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    Yes, worker's unions are very greedy, and, as in the case of the American education system, have become a labor monopoly of sorts. They have become highly political organizations who protect those who don't desearve it and force employers to lay off good young employees to pay for older, oftentimes worse ones. They, along with the media, also are the reason that President Obama works in the oval office.
     
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    Unions are greedy but so are corporations. So can you really use that as a way to say no to unions?
     
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    Care to digress as too why you feel the CEO's job is more important? More responsibility and harder?
     
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    Imagine that!!! Workers who expect to be paid for what they know. A teacher, who teaches many students to be a nurse makes $42,000. a year, while the nurse takes that education and goes practice it for $73,000. a year. Now explain how the teacher is greedy? Because greed would dictate the teacher would take their knowledge into the nurse field and gain an extra $31,000. a year for themselves. I don't see that happening.

    http://archives.starbulletin.com/2001/05/17/news/story4.html
    http://salary.careerbuilder.com/registered-nurse/New-York/
     
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    I don't see how a union is greedy, but I have a few hours to kill, explain it to me.
     
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    I never accused teachers of being greedy. The union chronies are. Most teachers aren't. In fact, I was making the point that many of the best teachers are either underpaid or unemployed because of the union work rules.
     
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    If we are honest about what those with money try to extract from the human beings who work for them... we can see readily why unions have to play hardball, especially politically.

    I mean, it's not as though the wealthy and the corporations are truly 'benevolent' folk.

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    You hit the nail on the head again!!

    Thanks for your very consistent honesty and clarity!!
     
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    Oh boy, life is unfair. Don't you find your scenario of seniority practiced all over? (who protect those who don't deserve it and force employers to lay off good young employees to pay for older, oftentimes worse ones.) It's not just those nasty unions, and of course they practice starting at the bottom and being paid less.
     
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    Once again, your posts absolutely glitter with sparkly ignorance.

    A nurse isn't taught by only one person.

    A nurse's job is clearly more demanding than a teacher's job, in the number of hours worked alone.

    More people qualify to be teachers than to be nurses.

    Do you need anything more?
     
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    Take a look at history and see what working conditions were like before unions and you will find that laws have changed because alot of what the unions got was not unreasonable for the non union workers to have. In the UK you have companies that have been around a long time with out unions. They don't get started by greedy people, they get started by people fighting for some rights or keep what they have.
     
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    "life is unfair." Isn't the whole idea behind modern unions to increase "fairness"?

    Seniority is practiced all over, whether in a union workplace or not. However, it is appaling how much prescendece seniority takes in public union workplaces. It's unfair for the better workers who would get paid more if the union would stop fighting so agressivly for these things.
     
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    What about in the case of public sector unions? Obama is a greedy man, I'd agree with you there, but the unions have certainly contributed a lot to our governments debt.
     

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