WWII - Eastern Front - General Remer

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  1. Jazz

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    No, RUS, it is not nonsense. WHY did the Allies in Nueremberg charge the Germans with war crimes? No Russians or Americans or British got charged for the crimes they committed. Why not??

    I'm glad this book was written so that we get a picture how it really was and not only the version of the victors, who unanimously accuse only the Germans.
    What was so horrendous was the hate speech of that Jew Ehrenburg! He literally drilled the hate into the Russian soldiers' minds and they were cruel beyond description!
     
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    because they won. Just because. That is life.

    The Germans made a bet and lost.
    If the Germans have won, then ..... around would be to blame for the current winners. And I seriously doubt that could appear similar a book about the crimes against Russia, England, USA. ..... in the Dritte Reich
    PS
    Russian soldiers have not heard a Jew Ehrenburg. They all saw it with their own eyes at the front.
     
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    Ilya Ehrenburg - The Man Who Invented The 'Six Million'

    He was a prolific writer, celebrated author of various novels and other works of fiction. He was the top Soviet propagandist during the Second World War. He was a notorious liar and a pathological monster. He was a Jew.

    As a leading member of the Soviet-sponsored Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee, Ilya Ehrenburg appeared at fund-raising rallies in the United States, raising support for the Communist cause while displaying fake bars of soap allegedly manufactured by the Germans from the corpses of dead Jews.

    But Ehrenburg was perhaps most notorious for his viciously anti-German hate propaganda in World War II. In it, he exhorted Soviet troops to kill all Germans they encountered without pity.*

    In one leaflet entitled "Kill", Ehrenburg incited the simple Russian soldier to treat the Germans as subhuman. The final paragraph concludes:

    "The Germans are not human beings. From now on, the word 'German' is the most horrible curse. From now on, the word 'German' strikes us to the quick. We have nothing to discuss. We will not get excited. We will kill. If you have not killed at least one German a day, you have wasted that day ... If you cannot kill a German with a bullet, then kill him with your bayonet. If your part of the front is quiet and there is no fighting, then kill a German in the meantime ... If you have already killed a German, then kill another one - there is nothing more amusing to us than a heap of German corpses. Don't count the days, don't count the kilometers. Count only one thing: the number of Germans you have killed. Kill the Germans! ... - Kill the Germans! Kill!"
    Read on here:
    http://rense.com/general75/ehr.htm
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    How terrible and disgusting and mean is that? And your soldiers, dear RUS, did just that... they mutilated, gauged the eyes out, cut ears and genitals off... anything gruesome, they did it to the helpless wounded and the caught and bound German soldiers.

    Read about it here:
    http://www.cwporter.com/seidl1.htm

    Excerpt:

    For worldwide publication, the German Foreign Office, in 1941 and 1942, published a “White Book on Soviet War Crimes on the Eastern Front” in every case. For 1943, a third volume was in preparation. The intent was to enlighten the Western Allies as to the crimes of their Ally while warning the neutral powers of the dangers of Bolshevism. The books bore the title “Bolshevist Crimes against the Laws of War and Humanity”.

    All volumes contained horrifying examples of murders of prisoners and wounded soldiers, the veracity of which could not be doubted because of the exact time, place, and detailed eyewitness testimonies. The facts of the case were supplemented by emotional appeals and polemical remarks.

    In the introduction to the first volume, which was primarily concerned with Soviet atrocities against the civilian population, using examples taken from the massacres at Lemberg, the following sentence appears: “Many thousands of members of the Ukrainian people were thrown into prison, subjected to all conceivable forms of mistreatment and torture and finally slaughtered under fearful circumstances.
    The Bolshevik murderers spared neither women, nor children, nor priests. In addition to the mountains of corpses found in the cellars of the prisons after the liberation of Lemberg, more than 30 corpses of children were found, some of them hanging from the ceiling by hooks in their mouths, some of them crucified to the walls” (115).

    The second volume gave priority to the fate of German soldiers in Soviet captivity: “With their hands tied together, their eyes were put out, their tongue, nose, ears and genitals were cut off, the corpse was torn to pieces with bayonet wounds. The screams of pain from the tortured persons and the distorted expressions on the faces of the cruelly mutilated bodies indicate the excruciating tortures by means of which the dehumanized beasts expressed their sense of bloodthirsty exhilaration upon the unhappy victims”.
     
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    "The more monstrously the lie, the more readily believe in it".

    Do you know who said that?
     
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    What should have been done by Russian soldier >>>> for (to ) a German soldier in Russia in 1941 after June 22?

    [video=youtube;MmohrgPXyME]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmohrgPXyME[/video]
     
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    The brave Germans soldiers, taking on the godless communists in the East, under the leadership of former bankrobber and tyrant Stalin....

    The Stalin line under Siege 1941

    [video=youtube;BgT1Gyr7u4g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgT1Gyr7u4g[/video]

    The Stalin Line was a line of fortifications along the western border of the Soviet Union. Work began on the system in the 1920s to protect the USSR against attacks from the West. The line was made up of concrete bunkers and gun emplacements, somewhat similar to, but less elaborate than the Maginot Line. It was not a continuous line of defense along the entire border, but rather a network of fortified districts, meant to channel potential invaders along certain corridors.

    In the aftermath of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, with the westward expansion of the USSR in 1939 and 1940 into Poland, the Baltic, and Bessarabia, the decision was made to abandon the line in favour of constructing the Molotov Line further west, along the new border of the USSR. A number of Soviet generals felt that it would be better to keep both lines and to have a defence in depth, but this conflicted[1] with the pre-World War II Soviet military doctrine. Remains of the Stalin Line near Minsk
    Thus, the guns were removed, but were mostly in storage as the new line began construction.[citation needed] The 1941 Axis invasion caught the Soviets with the new line unfinished and the Stalin Line largely abandoned and in disrepair. Neither was thus of much use in stopping the onslaught, though parts of the Stalin Line were manned in time and contributed to the defense of the USSR.

    Following World War II, the line was not maintained, in part due to its wide dispersal across the USSR.[2] Unlike Western Europe, where similar fortifications were demolished for development and safety reasons, much of the line survived beyond the breakup of the USSR in 1991 due to being ignored.[2] Today, the remains of the Stalin Line fortifications are located in Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine (plus possibly the eastern parts of Moldova) .
     
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    and they brought mass-murder and genocide with them.

    Thank God for the brave Russian people for standing up against Nazi evil.
     
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    No they didn't... that's what the Jews did:

    [video=youtube;n1QSznTwzv0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1QSznTwzv0[/video]
     
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    no, its what the Nazis did.

    they brought mass-murder everywhere they went.

    central europe, southern europe, eastern europe, even north africa.

    as stated in Mein Kampf, mass-murder was the Nazi way.

    if the Nazis came back, they would kill millions again.
     
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    No, it's what the Jews did by subverting Russia into the Soviet-Union and hauling off millions upon millions to the gulags or execute them in stead.
    Besides that, they starved millions of Ukrainians to death by confiscating all their food. This event is called the "Holodomor"

    After Germany lost the war, the Jews shifted the blame on Germany by inventing the Holocaust of which there is no shred of evidence, and is only based on hear-say and Hollywood propaganda. (which is also under Jewish control btw)

    And in Mein Kampf nothing is stated about mass-murdering as their way.
     
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    meanwhile the Jews were victims of Soviet purges and terror.

    my own family was the victim of Soviet persecution.
     
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    Yeah... well, better start blaming the Jews for suberting Russia into the Soviet-Union then:

    [video=youtube;-pDtgWUtdUM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pDtgWUtdUM[/video]
     
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    most of the first Communist party, was NOT Jews.
     
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    Prior to looking at the vid please cite the accuracy of the source, who posted it and if there are any quotes provide the links so they may be viewed in context.

    Oh, if you need help spelling my name it's Drew Bedson. Just trying to help Sam as you seem to have problems with that so often. :thumbsup:
     
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    The story about the "Holodomor".

    Stalin was looking for a contractor to industirializatsii Russia. Whom to choose. America or England? Stalin chose the United States.
    English manager who represented England in Russia took offense and came up, as if starved Russian Ukrainians.

    In fact Bread selected (for industrialization) not only in Ukraine.
    These figures is the millions dead from the "Holodomor".

    Ukraine ………….3.2
    Lower Volga …….2.74
    North Caucasus ….2.61
    Siberia ……………1.1

    It is a spooky fact.
     
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    I saw SS man in a turban, and I had one more question.

    Are You seriously think that the Aryans would left Crimean Tatars in the Crimea ?

    Are you saying that Hitler put several million such German guys

    [​IMG]


    (the pick of of the nation) into the ground of Russia,


    [​IMG]

    in order to set at liberty the Tatars (and Russian, too)from the Communists ? ..... to set at liberty them and go away?

    On this can only idiots and Russians.
    Hitler was not Russian, hence Hitler is idiot?
    You agree that your guess is it sounds very strange.
     
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    ^ Sorry, but I can hardly understand what you're trying to say there.

    But what I can make up out of it is that you are defending the mega-tyrant Stalin like he was some kind of choir-boy in stead of a bankrobber.

    Well, let me tell you in that case: Hitler was a choir-boy when he was young (at Lambach Abbey) and Stalin indeed was imprisoned for bankrobbery.
     
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    Are You don't understand because of my poor English?:(
     
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    Hello, Flare;
    Read the link about the experiences of a Dutch Waffen-SS volunteer from 1941 to 1945... In The Fire Of The Eastern Front

    it is wonderful to read!

    https://books.google.ca/books?id=nF...ei=BVePT8iWKojH6AGT96yRBA#v=onepage&q&f=false
     
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    Hi, RUS, you got it wrong. Hitler wanted to save Germany as well as Europe from the Communists. He had experienced how the Commies were ruining Germany and forbade them to hold leading or authority positions in G.
    Unfortunately, defeating communist Russia proved to be a harder job than he might have anticipated. And yes, far too many of the best German soldiers died in Russia. It was a very tough fight on both sides.

    But now we are at peace and I hope we will never fight each other again.
     
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    Now I am reading the memoirs of the Belgian Léon Degrelle.
    He writes that they (Belgians) very good attitude to the Russian population and prisoners of war, but their neighbors Romanians ( "barbarians" ) immediately shot the prisoners.

    I think the Romanians wrote the same in his memoirs about Belgians.:smile:
     
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    Hi, Jazz, You are mistaken thinking that I am wrong. [​IMG]


    Hitler wanted simply increase the territory of the Reich for the Germans.In 1925 Hitler never seen or imagined any threat from the Russian Communists, but yet, he was planning an attack on Russia.

    Hitler wrote about Russia as follows:
    And one more time:

    Hitler planned to attack Russia despite the fact that he did not saw a threat from Russia.
    It is a historical fact.

    .PS
    Sorry, Am I wrong here?
    "You are mistaken thinking that "

    /
     
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    No, he clearly writes "Impossible as it is for the Russian by himself to shake off the yoke of the Jew by his own resources", which means he actually did see a threat in the Soviet Union. Besides that, in Germany they would hear about the massacres (like Holodomor) and mass-arrests taking place, so they knew full well about the dangers of communism.

    And this was confirmed when the Germans found thousands of bodies in Katyn forest;

    [video=youtube;Geu0R4xGAi4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Geu0R4xGAi4[/video]

    After the war, this was of course blamed on the Germans, but later it became officially know that this was on the Soviets account.
     
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    Sorru, I do not want to repeat once again the same.
    my answer is here.

     
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    No God(s) nor angels interfered.
    I have wondered about the fact that mankind has so many churches and just about every human being believes in and prays to his God for help and salvation. Imagine the millions of women who get mercilessly raped and tortured by beastly men.... no help from above.
    What is the sense of living anyway?

    . . . .

    RUS, have you read

    President Roosevelt's Campaign To Incite War in Europe: The Secret Polish Documents?

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_Weber.html

    The USA, England and France conspired together to bring Germany down again, because Hitler had started to take back some of the lands taken away per Treaty of Versailles through negotiations!!!.
    Roosevelt urged France and Britain not to give in to further negotiations with Hitler. Poland was promised help, should it come to a confrontation over the Corridor and Danzig. This reassurance made them cocky and unwilling to negotiate with Hitler and thus it came to war.

    You insist that Hitler wanted to fight Russia, because he wanted more land in the East. You keep quoting him from his book "Mein Kampf". Yes, he wanted to have the original German territories back, and as you should know, Hitler tried to talk the Polish Government into granting him a narrow road- and railway strip through former German land now belonging to Poland, to reach Danzig and East Prussia. He was not going to fight the Poles over it... he offered compensation and even promised to restore the landscape.
    You see, it was not Hitler who wanted a war, but the others, mainly Roosevelt.
    So, logically thinking, why would he want to attack Russia for land, if he could just have taken back all the land that was given to Poland after WWI?
     

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