You can block Sanders from getting nominated, you can't stop his followers from taking over Congress

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by ColdTruth, Jul 1, 2020.

  1. ColdTruth

    ColdTruth Newly Registered

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2020
    Messages:
    129
    Likes Received:
    88
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Gender:
    Female
    Look at the situation our young people are in.

    They own very little assets or property, but are burdened with loans.
    They can't find a decent job.
    What political stand do you expect them to take?

    America must become a country more like Europe and Japan where equality is better maintained. However hard you smear democratic socialism and glorify your so-called freedom. The days when corporations can take as much as they want will soon be gone. Unfettered capitalism must be reined in, you like it or not.
     
  2. quiller

    quiller Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2006
    Messages:
    8,579
    Likes Received:
    2,989
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Who forced them to sign loan papers, and why? Was it a stupid degree for a job nobody offers? Did they bother getting off the couch to go seek work, or sit home sniveling that Mom hasn't fixed lunch yet? I would expect them to take a self-survival attitude, not admission they are lazy and defeatist and deserve to fail.
     
  3. ColdTruth

    ColdTruth Newly Registered

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2020
    Messages:
    129
    Likes Received:
    88
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Gender:
    Female
    Ask young Germans and Japanese the same questions. And then ask yourself, why American hospitals and medical insurance companies cost 17% of America's GDP while it's only 8% in European countries and Japan, not to mention citizens in these countries receive universal heathcare.

    The whole system in America is skewed towards capital.
    Admit it. Own it. Say it loudly.

    America must make alterations, or hell shall rain down.
     
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2020
  4. Moonglow

    Moonglow Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2013
    Messages:
    20,754
    Likes Received:
    8,047
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    We can forgive billions in loans to foriegn nations that are not poor yet we can't give students in the US a break on student loans, pathetic.
     
    David Landbrecht and Cosmo like this.
  5. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Typical Blame the Victims rightwing kneejerk response to the GREED OBSESSION that enables the Wall Street Casino Banksters to strip mine the middle class Americans of everything and anything that they possess.

    Today 2/3rds of hardworking people cannot afford the American Dream of owning their own home because corporations give away wage increases and bonuses to SHAREHOLDERS instead of the workers who GENERATED those PROFITS.

    This GREED OBSESSION is destroying America but fortunately the Bernie Revolution will bring that to an end.
     
  6. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    31,131
    Likes Received:
    28,599
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I think you fundamentally don't understand the cost drivers in our economy. The reason our medical costs are so high is because of governmental intrusion into it. When health care cost are 40-50% administrative, there's a reason we aren't competitive with the rest of the world in cost. Same can literally be said about every other part of the economy, including government itself.
     
    roorooroo likes this.
  7. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    31,131
    Likes Received:
    28,599
    Trophy Points:
    113
    LOL... how about a little personal responsibility and understanding bad choices for a change? No? The bank forced me to sign the papers.... they should try pleading that in the witness box in front of a jury.
     
    roorooroo likes this.
  8. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2012
    Messages:
    24,509
    Likes Received:
    7,250
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I actively despite the left's conception of equality, but if you want Sanders as nominee then all the power to you.
     
    roorooroo likes this.
  9. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Another INANE rightwing Blame the Victim load of drivel!

    Never heard of PREDATORY LENDING?

    Of course not because that would mean having to deal with REALITY!

    :roflol:
     
    Cosmo likes this.
  10. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    31,131
    Likes Received:
    28,599
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I have, in fact. But, as usually is decided in the law, the signee is responsible for their signatures, and "predatory" describes the terms of the financing, not the action of enjoining oneself to it. Feel free to sputter more. It is actually fun to watch.
     
    roorooroo likes this.
  11. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Thank you for confirming that you do not know what predatory lending is all about.

    Have a nice day!
     
    Cosmo likes this.
  12. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2012
    Messages:
    24,509
    Likes Received:
    7,250
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    How does depriving them of the loan help? Presumably they need the money or they wouldn't be taking out the loan.
     
    drluggit likes this.
  13. quiller

    quiller Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2006
    Messages:
    8,579
    Likes Received:
    2,989
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Lesson from that? You aren't required to be responsible. See how far that advances a career.
     
  14. quiller

    quiller Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2006
    Messages:
    8,579
    Likes Received:
    2,989
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    They either stupidly did not work out the details before signing, or they are whining for having to be responsible adults for their actions. Predatory is in the eye of the law. If they signed they are responsible.
     
  15. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2015
    Messages:
    23,895
    Likes Received:
    7,537
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If one believed a college degree in basket weaving or art history would earn them a high-paying salary, then they are victims of nothing but their own stupidity.
     
  16. quiller

    quiller Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2006
    Messages:
    8,579
    Likes Received:
    2,989
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Yeah, skip past responsibility and head straight to Excuseville. Companies SELL stock. Employees are free to buy it (often at discounts depending on the company). If workers are dissatisfied they are free to seek other employment. You offer no proof Bernie Sanders with five mansions offers any constructive advice to the poor.
     
  17. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    28,096
    Likes Received:
    10,607
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So young people took out massive loans to go to college to obtain worthless degrees and now can't afford assets or property...

    ... so we must completely and fundamentally change our country to accommodate them.

    Did you receive participation trophies?
     
  18. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2010
    Messages:
    28,096
    Likes Received:
    10,607
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Why should we?

    Cultural, American kids are no where near their Japanese counterparts.

    Oh, here comes the freebee BS.

    This country is broken because kids did stupid things, didn't act like adults, and now wants everybody else to adjust an economic system that created the most wealth the world has ever seen to serve their needs.

    Yes. It's a capitalist country.

    Capitalism is responsible for nearly all of the luxuries you enjoy while sitting behind a computer lambasting about how bad the world is treating you.

    Already did. Capitalism is the closest thing to barter and trade where transactions are based on free will and individual enterprise. Barter and trade is the most fundamental economic system, with the most fairness, and the most opportunity for growth and wealth accumulation.

    Socialist policies like Universal Healthcare pervert the natural concept of free trade, resulting in inefficiencies, unfairness, and lack of development and innovation.

    Bring it young'n.

    Your desire for personal benefit on the backs of others isn't going to come easy. People will fight for their own prosperity and freedoms long before they start to give a **** about your own circumstances.

    It's time to grow up, put your big boy/girl pants on, and start making your own way.
     
  19. quiller

    quiller Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2006
    Messages:
    8,579
    Likes Received:
    2,989
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    (*applause*)
     
  20. stratego

    stratego Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2010
    Messages:
    1,411
    Likes Received:
    973
    Trophy Points:
    113

    That's what the proponents of socialized healthcare don't understand. We don't truly have a free market. The government is all over it.

    The reason why Europe and Japan is cheaper is that government stayed out of their socialized healthcare.
     
  21. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Thank you for also confirming that you do not know what predatory lending is all about.
     
    Cosmo likes this.
  22. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And yet another who does not know anything at all about predatory lending.
     
    Cosmo likes this.
  23. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The only person I know with an art history college degree is earning 6 figures as the curator of an art museum. Her husband, who is an accountant, gave up his own job in order to move the family to another location where she had been offered a significantly higher salary.

    That you actually BELIEVE that there is a college degree in basket weaving says VOLUMES!

    :roflol:
     
    David Landbrecht and Cosmo like this.
  24. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    50,653
    Likes Received:
    41,718
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not my problem that you CHOOSE to remain woefully uninformed about the REALITY that hard working Americans face on a daily basis.

    https://citizentruth.org/american-prosperity-has-become-american-poverty/

    [​IMG]

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/inequality-is-killing-the-american-dream/

    https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2016/02/03/even-americans-cant-afford-the-american-dream

     
    David Landbrecht and Cosmo like this.
  25. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2012
    Messages:
    24,509
    Likes Received:
    7,250
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    "Predatory lending includes any unscrupulous actions carried out by a lender to entice, induce, and assist a borrower in taking a loan that they otherwise are unable to pay back reasonably. In many cases, a predatory loan is often one that carries high fees, a high-interest rate, strips the borrower of equity, or places the borrower in a lower credit-rated loan to the benefit of the lender."

    If you have signed on the dotted line without threat of force I have little to zero sympathy for you.
     

Share This Page