Zimmerman friend--'In my heart I believe he targeted Martin for his race'

Liberals aren't that stupid though. They know how important the 1% are, and will always want them around.

It just makes for good appearances to whine and complain about them non-stop... and protest them when the weather is nice.

 

I think you are saying is correct when applied to the liberal politicians. They certainly like the campaign and soft money from the 1%. If they really hated the big corporations and the rich, they could have passed anything they wanted in Obama's first 2 years. They just demonize them to get those liberal voters to vote for them.

The rank and file everyday liberal (whether stupid or not) I would bet would eliminate the 1% and "spread the wealth around" if they could. That might be good thread - ask the liberals out there if they could, would they take the money from the 1% and spread it around?

 

So then, obviously, is suggesting that a group of blacks and hispanics (sic) beating an unarmed newlywed white man to death with hammers in front of his wife is not a race crime... that is, unless the situation were reversed. We all know it's not a race crime unless a black is harmed by a white.

Not totally off the subject, I think it would be amusing if all the rioting blacks in Ferguson suddenly had a moment of clarity and realized that George Zimmerman was both black and hispanic (sic). Three part question:

1. Would it be a race crime?
2. Would the same punks who killed the white guy get confused and chase each other around in circles with hammers?
3. What's the over/under CNN would broadcast that cluster-Fluke?

Chew on that for a few. There'll be a test later.

 

That is, his mother thinks he's black and hispanic (sic) http://www.latintimes.com/gladys-zimmerman-mother-george-zimmerman-says-her-family-proudly-afro-peruvian-do-his-black-roots

Some hispanics (sic) probably told the blacks that Zim was white so they wouldn't get their heads bashed in by goons like that 78 year old white guy in Toledo. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126003/Trayvon-Martin-case-6-youths-beat-man-78-twisted-racial-revenge-attack.html

Crafty thinking.

P.S. Whites don't riot, except for the ones who are stoned in college and still think they're socialists (sic) because it sounds cool.

 

George Zimmerman is as guilty as sin for murdering Trayvon Martin. I don't know if it was racially-motivated but I'm 100% sure that Zimmerman's side of the story is a lie. He profiled Martin. He chased him. He initiated a conflict and then when he started getting his ass kicked he pulled out his gun and killed the boy. The racists on this forum see his acquittal as some kind of victory. They are idiots especially when you consider Zimmerman's recent behavior which only confirms that he is a violent criminal.

 

Yes.. I think Zimmerman is directly responsible for the death of Trayvon Martin and its a completely different case from the Michael Brown shooting.

 

Just because person#1 (say somebody white) does something or says something that person #2 (say black) doesn't like, doesn't give person #2 the right to get violent, abusive and physically attack person #1. Don't like being profiled? I'm sure I wouldn't either, but tough. Complain about it all you want, call the the profiler a white cracker or polar bear or whatever you want, but once you become physically violent you escate the situation and risk taking a bullet NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE.

If trayvon and michael brown didn't get violent they would both be alive; descriminated against, but alive.

 

What makes you think that Trayvon Martin got violent with George Zimmerman first? You don't know that. You only have Zimmerman's word that that's how it went down.

Here are the facts:

1. Trayvon Martin was walking home minding his own business (i.e. NOT looking for a fight).

2. George Zimmerman spotted him and proceeded to call the police without witnessing him doing anything illegal.

3. Trayvon called his friend on the phone to report a creepy guy following him and decided to AVOID Zimmerman.

4. Zimmerman disobeyed the 911 dispatcher's instruction not to follow Martin

5. Trayvon Martin ends up shot dead minutes after the phone call.

We don't know who initiated the conflict. All we have is Zimmerman's narrative of what happened and eye witnesses reporting a struggle.

Forget about race for a moment. Do you honestly believe that a teenager, with no history of criminal violence, who was minding his own business walking home and tried to AVOID a possible stalker suddenly turned in to a raging demon, confronting Zimmerman, sucker punching him and made threats to kill him with his own gun? Do you honestly believe the word of a vigilante, wannabe cop who DOES have a history of criminal violence and threats that everything went down as he said it did.

We don't know what really happened but this is what I think actually happened....

I think that Zimmerman was the obvious aggressor. The fact that he got out of his car to pursue Martin supports this fact. I think that he caught up to him. Asked him what he was doing there and then tried to restrain him for the police. I think that Trayvon Martin feeling that he was being accosted by a stalker at night proceeded to defend himself possibly by punching Zimmerman to get him to let go. They had a struggle. Zimmerman started to lose. Trayvon started using his MMA skills on him (he was involved in organized street fights) and Zimmerman pulled out his gun and shot him to get the upperhand. There was no initiation of violence by Trayvon. There was no threat to get Zimmerman's gun. There was no repeated head banging on the cement. Zimmerman initiated the conflict, started to lose a fight that he started and killed an innocent teen when he started to lose control of the situation. Zimmerman was the one being hostile and Zimmerman ended the conflict by killing Trayvon (second degree murder).

Now that's just what I think happened. I watched the trial and I think the jury had to be fools not to at least convict Zimmerman of manslaughter. There is absolutely no evidence he acted in self-defense and plenty that he initiated contact.

 

Oh geez are you so desperate now you have to bring in the NAZI's?

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Are you claiming there was no evidence that Martin spoke to Zimmerman and Zimmerman replied? Really?

 

No those are not the facts as anyone who listened to the trial or read the evidence would know.

He WAS walking home, that we know.

The instructions to NW is to report SUSPICIOUS behavior such as casing places, seeing unknown persons walking around the property. NOT to just report illegal behavior.

He told the girl friend that a guy was watching him and then walked towards the car and hung around it for about a minute a which time Zimmerman was telling the dispatcher the guy was putting his hands down his waist.

No he did not, he obeyed the dispatchers request to let them know what the person did and then which way he went. It was AFTER Martin had run off and AFTER Zimmerman had exited his truck and run to the T junction in the sidewalk over to the perimeter street and Zimmerman had no idea where Martin was when the dispatcher made the REQUEST, they can't order or instruct people to do things, that they didn't want him doing that. The fact is Zimmerman had no idea where Martin was at that point.

After having run back to the apartment where he simply could have gone inside and watched the basketball game. Instead having seen Zimmerman cross the T junction two buildings, he went back and confronted Zimmerman.

Yes we do. Even the girl friend said Martin had run back to the apartment, then several seconds later Martin according to her said "hey man you have a problem" while Zimmerman said it was "hey man you got an F'ing problem".

We don't know if he had a history of violence as his record is sealed. We do know he had a record of suspicious items and burglary tools being on his person.

Black males disproportionately seem to have a problem with sudden violence towards authority. Especially young ones.

I believe the evidence and the witnesses who are corroborated by it. What do you believe?

And the evidence from that night that proved he was being aggressive is? Is trying to observe someone from afar an "aggressive" act? Is rolling up your window when that person approaches you in a threatening manner and "aggressive" act?

The dispatcher told him three time to let him know what the person did and as Martin ran off told Zimmerman to let him know which way he went. It was perfectly reasonable Zimmerman would exit his vehicle in order to comply with the request of the dispatcher.

He was on the phone with the dispatcher when he told the dispatcher he had him and didn't know where he was. When Zimmerman hung up with the dispatcher he was walking back to his truck, the direction from which the police would be coming. He did not go down between the buildings where Martin had actually run. It was Martin who having run back to the apartment went back to the T junction and confronted Zimmerman.

That would be an illegal restraint at the least a kidnapping at the worst. Zimmerman had no legal authority to restrain anyone and knew that doing so would get himself arrest and charged with a crime. That is a ludicrous assertion.

Quite the contrary the forensics showed at least 3 plus blows to the face.

And obviously dismissed all the evidence presented out of hand. Tell me what was the evidence presented at trial that proves your assertion that Zimmerman disobeyed the requests of the dispatcher?

 

Simple, because

1) Zimmerman had a gun and didn't need to escalate the situation with physical violence because he had the gun (why would anybody risk losing with fists when they have a gun - I have several years of kung fu and i would use the gun first,that is why we go through the hassle of gun training and the permit process)
2) Because legally if you initiate the physical violence and you introduce the gun into the fight than you know you are commiting murder. That is handgun training 101. You learn that when you take the training to get your permit. In that training you also learn that you are responsible for that bullet when it leaves your gun so if you hit an innocent trying to defend yourself from someone trying to kill you, you are going to jail (it doesn't matter that you were trying to defend yourself) THEREFORE THE LAST THING YOU EVER WANT IS TO HAVE TO FIRE YOUR GUN. or unholster it for that matter.
3)If he was looking for a black person to shoot as you folks think he wouldn't have waited until his face got all smashed in, he would have shot him right away.
4) because permit holders buy and carry guns for defensive purposes. We don't get permits to go out and commit murder. If you are going to commit a felony murder, why go through all the hassle of getting a permit? Why get the permit that basically declares to the world and cops that you are a gun owner if you are going to commit murder? Doesn't make any sense.

So what you are saying is that zimmerman followed him then when confronted, physically assaulted trayvon then when he was getting his arse kicked, shot him. That is possible but you werent' there (as you said about me) so you don't know either, but its much more likely that trayvon started hitting zimmerman first for the reasons I cited above.

zimmerman was a dumbass that is for sure and should never have been following anybody. But again, just because he did something or said someting taht trayvon didn't like,doesn't give trayvon the right to physially assault zimmerman. Michael Brown did the same thing.

some things black folks need to understand about permit holders:

1) We are almost always very knowledgeable of the firearm laws because one slip up could mean prison time
2) We are almost always very engaged in what is going on in the country. We get the permits, gun training and the guns because we don't like what we see in the news. Even though the media never reports black on white crime, we permit holders know about it anyway. And it's not really black white. Its the street gang epidemic in this country. I would never go to any city without a firearm for protection. Bloods, Crips, mexican mafia, MS-13 etc. every city has violent street gangs.

The Bosnian immigrant that was beat to death in front of his girlfriend by several black youths a few days ago did not make the news at all. Yet I know about it. We get permits because we pay attention to the news and know how dangerous it is out there and don't ignore it. The Bosnian's biggest mistake was that he was not armed. If it were me, they probably would have killed me too, but I would have taken at least two of them with me then they wouldn't be able to terrorize anyone else.

Imagine the black public outrage if the Bosnian immigrant did have a gun and shot one of the "unarmed" black youths? You would all be out rioting again. So here you have the case where the white guy didn't shoot the black youth attacker and he is dead. And the mainstream media - dead silence.

 

Why would he call the police to come and witness all that?

 

He probably didn't plan to kill him. Trayvon stared to run and Zimmerman went after him. He may have just tried to restrain him for the police and then Trayvon, fearing for his life, retaliated. They fought. Trayvon got the upper hand and Zimmerman killed him. If that's the case he deserved be charged with manslaughter at least.

 

Well you said

Well why would he call the police first if he planned on murdering him?

Yes after trying to initimidate Zimmerman he ran back to the apartment. Zimmerman after three times being asked by the dispatcher to let them know what he did and then when told Martin was running ask Zimmerman which way is he going got out to FOLLOW where Martin ran in order to comply with the dispatchers request. Knowing the police would be arriving any second.

He gave no indication he was attempting to catch Martin, quite the opposite, and any restraint he may have engaged in would have been a felony which having studied criminal justice and having been instructed by the NW police coordinator Zimmerman very well knew. He had no authority to restrain anyone. And his knowing that the police who if not witnessing what was already happening would arriving soon why would he engage in an illegal restraint of someone for which the police would have immediately cuffed him and taken him to jail?

If he feared for his life why did he first run back to the safety of the apartment and then go back to the T junction and as even the girl friend confirms confront Zimmerman? And why would he fear for his life anyway?

You leave out that Martin had Zimmerman pinned and was threatening him with serious bodily harm or death. Why?

Where's the manslaughter?

 

Zimmerman was living out a Walter Mitty fantasy and too bloody stupid to speak to the teenager.

 

I've always maintained that it was second degree murder not first degree murder. I don't believe he planned to kill Trayvon Martin. I think he decided to kill him when the situation got out of control.

Zimmerman after seeing Martin running got out of his vehicle and chased him. The dispatcher asked him if he was following him and when Zimmerman said yes told him "we don't need you to do that" by the time he said that Zimmerman was out of his vehicle and we don't know how close he was to catching up to Martin.

Getting out of his vehicle to chase him IS trying to catch him.

Zimmerman already had a bad reputation as a hot head who loses it when he gets angry (did you read the account of him throwing a drunk girl across the room at a party?) so I would not put it past him to not comply with standard procedure in this situation.

The girl did not say that he doubled back to confront Zimmerman. She says that she overheard them arguing. Trayvon asked "Why are you following me" and Zimmerman asked "What are you doing here" then she heard a scuffle. If Zimmerman grabbed Trayvon (my suspicion) he very well could have feared that he was a dangerous person and resisted him. Even Zimmerman says he did not identify himself. For all Martin knew Zimmerman was a mugger, rapist or serial killer out to do him serious harm.

That is an exaggeration of what we know happened. Witnesses say Trayvon had him pinned in a mount position and was hitting him but no one could see clear enough to know how seriously hurt Zimmerman was. His injuries indicate that he wasn't seriously hurt.

Killing an unarmed teenager. We only have Zimmerman's word he was acting in self-defense but for all we know the fight started when Trayvon acted in self-defense. What we know for a fact is Trayvon was unarmed and Zimmerman pursued him then eventually killed him. His story doesn't add up. He should have been convicted of manslaughter at least and second degree murder at best.

 

A left wing BIASED jury concluded it was SELF DEFENSE. Why are liberals STILL having PMS over this?

 

The left don;t beleive in evidence based Justice. They beleive in Political retribution. What actually happened is irrelevant to them. They want white people to be found guilty and black people to be allowed to riot

 

Well said.

 

The fact that you think that matters is the problem. Zimmerman likely prevented being badly hurt by shooting his attacker. That is acceptable under the law, and would have been acceptable by you, if they were both black.

 

How do you know the politics of the jurors... or are you just assuming?

 

Jurors are chosen from voter rolls. New York is a BLUE state.

 

Those "probablys" and "may haves" are what keep people obsessed with this very old & no longer relevant case.

 

Nope. Martin attacked him. That's what the evidence showed. And Zimmerman merely took out the trash. And the jury came to that same conclusion.