Zimmerman Trial (Friday July 5th)

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  1. RP12

    RP12 Well-Known Member

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    Are we watching the same trial?
     
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    Eighty Deuce New Member Past Donor

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    I do not know what you are watching, but the Judge most assuredly made no such assertion, directly or otherwise. I can understand the bias. What I cannot is the fabrication.

    Again, what trial are you watching ? The Defense has put on all of two witnesses. Hardly the time to rest their case. And I think you are lost as to the process.
     
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    Wrongful death of a minor. Manslaughter
     
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    And your evidence it was a wrongful death and not self defense considering the Prosecution hasnt provided anything ??

    *Disclaimer: Opinions are not evidence ~
     
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    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Being stupid, and taking the life of another because he's stupid.

    If he was a cop would this be a justifiable shooting?

    I don't know, I'm glad I'm not on the jury. But, if the answer is no, then Zimmerman has a problem.
     
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    That actually looks like me but in confronting a person face to face i dont know if I can raise it fast enough if they also have a weapon. A hand gun is plenty but It seems to be you take the Joe biden approach lol
     
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    We have the fact that GZ was chasing Martin in spite of knowing that the police were inbound and knowing that the only way out of there was through the back gate. His lie about not knowing the address is laughable.

    When Martin did decide to stand his ground. GZ had one chance to tell Martin that he was not a boy bumper, and he blew it.

    Screw him.
     
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    Being stupid is not a crime certainly not murder.

    If you assaulted a cop and beat his head into the ground you are a dead man. Its that simple. What that hs to do with this case is beyond me as Zimmerman isnt a cop and wasnt pretending to be a cop.
     
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    Based on the facts that have been presented, George's of deadly force was not reasonable. The same position that the jury will take based on the facts. Hopefully you understand that matter of "reasonable" will be based on "opinion"

    Hopefully you're not arguing just for the sake of it.
     
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    Im not making my determination by the judges answers Im making it by the prosecutions arguments that there is enough evidence in his testimony that proves he lied to move forward and the judge agreed with the prosecutions assessment did she not and was that not their main argument?
     
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    Actually this country has always stood behind and held completely legal self-defense.
     
  12. Danneskjold

    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    IF his gun is already pointed at you it really won't matter how fast you take aim.

    With a shotgun your aim doesn't have to be that good. Easier to shoot from the hip too.
     
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    Strange nothing presented showed his force was "unreasonable". The only one arguing for the sake of it is you i try my damndesnt to bring up only the evidence and testimony but i am constantly having to argue stupid (*)(*)(*)(*)ing talking points and strawmen.
     
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    The person you are responding to has already stated his/her post8ion that this isn't murder, as have I.
     
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    Wrongful death of a minor that was trying to kill him? I don't know John, don't seem right to me. Seems you want a pint of blood because a man legally defended himself. The jails here are full of young people that will kill you in a NY second,,it happens.

    Either he was allowed to defend himself or not. Seems in Florida he did everything legal.
     
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    A cop in uniform would be clear of any criminal charges, because the victim would have known he was not a boy bumper.

    He would probably never be promoted again because it is just plain stupid to chase a suspect into a dark alley when you have some idea where he is going and know that back-up is in-bound.
     
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    You're being obtuse. I have no interest in arguing for argument sake.
     
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    And this "cop" would know where the suspect is going how? And what does this have to do with the trial today or do you jsut want to say "boy bumper" in another post?
     
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    You're stating an opinion and not factual evidence.

    Fighting back is one thing, deadly force is another. We'll see.
     
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    People are convicted of manslaughter, and many other infractions, all the time because they are stupid.

    So yes being stupid can be a crime.

    Zimmerman has no more right to kill someone then a police officer. A police officer has no more right to kill someone then Zimmerman.

    You think the 2 are different?

    If a cop would be justified in killing Trayvon then Zimmerman has no problem.
     
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    Please show the manslaughter law that says "stupid" in it anywhere. That or concede your point and move on.
     
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    What about his statement on Hannity's show that he was unfamilar with SYG laws. When you listen to the Proffesor of the class state otherwise. This is just one of many contradictions, He jumped out of non-existing bushes. Who knows what he jury will decide. I say George will be found guilty of manslaughter and probably go to jail for 5 years.
     
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    George was not a cop and in fact Martin had no idea who George was.
     
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    Sorry, but Martin had a right to defend himself against an apparent boy bumper. We teach kids it's okay to hurt them if they follow you and try to detain you.

    No, going home was not a very good option. There was nobody there to help him and he was not sure he could outrun the creepy old sod. All that going home would get anybody is that a predator would know where to find two targets.

    It would have made sense for Martin to go find a fire alarm box and pull it, but not everybody learns that trick.

    Either way, GZ lost all legal standing when he refused to identify himself to Martin. He failed to do the one thing that would qualify him to use deadly force as an aggressor.

    Once Martin became aware of the gun, he had no legal requirement to let GZ keep it, because, after you have just beaten the poo out of some pervert, you cannot expect him not to shoot you once he has his hands on the weapon.
     
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    You do not understand the process. By agreeing to NOT dismiss the case, the Judge is making no such assertion. If you were to educate yourself a bit on process, you would know this.

    As to the bias that you demonstrate, that is yours. OBTW, both lead Detectives said the Zimmerman was not lying. They were Defense witnesses, btw. :wink:
     
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