Syria(Ghouta) 'chemical' attack, is it the worst False flag operation in a history?

Bishadi · Aug 30, 2013

litwin said: ↑

wi a readi for war

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funny (*)(*)(*)(*)

skeptic-f · Aug 30, 2013

France thinks that it has a mandate to interfere with military force anywhere it used to have a colony or protectorate. Since Syria was under French control for a few decades, that makes it a fine candidate for French military intervention.

Silver Surfer · Aug 30, 2013

More evidence emerged regarding chemical weapons in Ghouta. It seems that nothing happens without Bandar's involvement.

EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack

Rebels and local residents in Ghouta accuse Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan of providing chemical weapons to an al-Qaida linked rebel group.
By Dale Gavlak and Yahya Ababneh | August 29, 2013.This article is a collaboration between Dale Gavlak reporting for Mint Press News and Yahya Ababneh.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/witnes...supplied-rebels-with-chemical-weapons/168135/

Ghouta, Syria — As the machinery for a U.S.-led military intervention in Syria gathers pace following last week’s chemical weapons attack, the U.S. and its allies may be targeting the wrong culprit.

Interviews with people in Damascus and Ghouta, a suburb of the Syrian capital, where the humanitarian agency Doctors Without Borders said at least 355 people had died last week from what it believed to be a neurotoxic agent, appear to indicate as much.

The U.S., Britain, and France as well as the Arab League have accused the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for carrying out the chemical weapons attack, which mainly targeted civilians. U.S. warships are stationed in the Mediterranean Sea to launch military strikes against Syria in punishment for carrying out a massive chemical weapons attack. The U.S. and others are not interested in examining any contrary evidence, with U.S Secretary of State John Kerry saying Monday that Assad’s guilt was “a judgment … already clear to the world.”

However, from numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, a different picture emerges. Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack.

“My son came to me two weeks ago asking what I thought the weapons were that he had been asked to carry,” said Abu Abdel-Moneim, the father of a rebel fighting to unseat Assad, who lives in Ghouta.

Abdel-Moneim said his son and 12 other rebels were killed inside of a tunnel used to store weapons provided by a Saudi militant, known as Abu Ayesha, who was leading a fighting battalion. The father described the weapons as having a “tube-like structure” while others were like a “huge gas bottle.”

Ghouta townspeople said the rebels were using mosques and private houses to sleep while storing their weapons in tunnels.

Abdel-Moneim said his son and the others died during the chemical weapons attack. That same day, the militant group Jabhat al-Nusra, which is linked to al-Qaida, announced that it would similarly attack civilians in the Assad regime’s heartland of Latakia on Syria’s western coast, in purported retaliation.

“They didn’t tell us what these arms were or how to use them,” complained a female fighter named ‘K.’ “We didn’t know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.”

“When Saudi Prince Bandar gives such weapons to people, he must give them to those who know how to handle and use them,” she warned. She, like other Syrians, do not want to use their full names for fear of retribution.

A well-known rebel leader in Ghouta named ‘J’ agreed. “Jabhat al-Nusra militants do not cooperate with other rebels, except with fighting on the ground. They do not share secret information. They merely used some ordinary rebels to carry and operate this material,” he said.

“We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions,” ‘J’ said.

Doctors who treated the chemical weapons attack victims cautioned interviewers to be careful about asking questions regarding who, exactly, was responsible for the deadly assault.

The humanitarian group Doctors Without Borders added that health workers aiding 3,600 patients also reported experiencing similar symptoms, including frothing at the mouth, respiratory distress, convulsions and blurry vision. The group has not been able to independently verify the information.

More than a dozen rebels interviewed reported that their salaries came from the Saudi government.

Saudi involvement

In a recent article for Business Insider, reporter Geoffrey Ingersoll highlighted Saudi Prince Bandar’s role in the two-and-a-half year Syrian civil war. Many observers believe Bandar, with his close ties to Washington, has been at the very heart of the push for war by the U.S. against Assad.

Ingersoll referred to an article in the U.K.’s Daily Telegraph about secret Russian-Saudi talks alleging that Bandar offered Russian President Vladimir Putin cheap oil in exchange for dumping Assad.

“Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord,” Ingersoll wrote.

“I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us,” Bandar allegedly told the Russians.

“Along with Saudi officials, the U.S. allegedly gave the Saudi intelligence chief the thumbs up to conduct these talks with Russia, which comes as no surprise,” Ingersoll wrote.

“Bandar is American-educated, both military and collegiate, served as a highly influential Saudi Ambassador to the U.S., and the CIA totally loves this guy,” he added.

According to U.K.’s Independent newspaper, it was Prince Bandar’s intelligence agency that first brought allegations of the use of sarin gas by the regime to the attention of Western allies in February.

The Wall Street Journal recently reported that the CIA realized Saudi Arabia was “serious” about toppling Assad when the Saudi king named Prince Bandar to lead the effort.

“They believed that Prince Bandar, a veteran of the diplomatic intrigues of Washington and the Arab world, could deliver what the CIA couldn’t: planeloads of money and arms, and, as one U.S. diplomat put it, wasta, Arabic for under-the-table clout,” it said.

Bandar has been advancing Saudi Arabia’s top foreign policy goal, WSJ reported, of defeating Assad and his Iranian and Hezbollah allies.

To that aim, Bandar worked Washington to back a program to arm and train rebels out of a planned military base in Jordan.

The newspaper reports that he met with the “uneasy Jordanians about such a base”:

His meetings in Amman with Jordan’s King Abdullah sometimes ran to eight hours in a single sitting. “The king would joke: ‘Oh, Bandar’s coming again? Let’s clear two days for the meeting,’ ” said a person familiar with the meetings.

Jordan’s financial dependence on Saudi Arabia may have given the Saudis strong leverage. An operations center in Jordan started going online in the summer of 2012, including an airstrip and warehouses for arms. Saudi-procured AK-47s and ammunition arrived, WSJ reported, citing Arab officials.

Although Saudi Arabia has officially maintained that it supported more moderate rebels, the newspaper reported that “funds and arms were being funneled to radicals on the side, simply to counter the influence of rival Islamists backed by Qatar.”

But rebels interviewed said Prince Bandar is referred to as “al-Habib” or ‘the lover’ by al-Qaida militants fighting in Syria.

Peter Oborne, writing in the Daily Telegraph on Thursday, has issued a word of caution about Washington’s rush to punish the Assad regime with so-called ‘limited’ strikes not meant to overthrow the Syrian leader but diminish his capacity to use chemical weapons:

Consider this: the only beneficiaries from the atrocity were the rebels, previously losing the war, who now have Britain and America ready to intervene on their side. While there seems to be little doubt that chemical weapons were used, there is doubt about who deployed them.

It is important to remember that Assad has been accused of using poison gas against civilians before. But on that occasion, Carla del Ponte, a U.N. commissioner on Syria, concluded that the rebels, not Assad, were probably responsible.

Some information in this article could not be independently verified. Mint Press News will continue to provide further information and updates .

Dale Gavlak is a Middle East correspondent for Mint Press News and has reported from Amman, Jordan, writing for the Associated Press, NPR and BBC. An expert in Middle Eastern affairs, Gavlak covers the Levant region, writing on topics including politics, social issues and economic trends. Dale holds a M.A. in Middle Eastern Studies from the University of Chicago. Contact Dale at dgavlak@mintpressnews.com

Yahya Ababneh is a Jordanian freelance journalist and is currently working on a master’s degree in journalism, He has covered events in Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Russia and Libya. His stories have appeared on Amman Net, Saraya News, Gerasa News and elsewhere.
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Ivan88 · Aug 31, 2013

Toast to Dale Gavlak
Syrian militants in the Damascus suburb of Gouta have admitted ... that the casualties were the result of an accident caused by rebels mishandling chemical weapons provided to them by Saudi Arabia.

“From numerous interviews with doctors, Gouta residents, rebel fighters and their families, many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the (deadly) gas attack,” writes Gavlak.

Rebels told Gavlak that they were not properly trained on how to handle the chemical weapons or even told what they were. It appears as though the weapons were initially supposed to be given to al-Nusra Front militants.

“We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions,” one militant named ‘J’ told Gavlak. from Al Manar article above

Of course, under the Talmudic Anti-Christ Noahide Laws that the US is operating under, all evidence and proof that controverts the accusation of one "Rabbi" is not allowed and a violation of those laws.

According to the Noahide Laws, only 1 witness is required to convict any goyim of any crime, and that includes a nation too.

Christ caught these kind of people when he told them they do not believe in Moses, they are not My sheep, their traditions make the Word of God of none effect, they are dead in their trespasses, they are the tares, bad figs, murderers , enemies of mankind and Christ.

And the Christians who have adopted the Talmudic doctrines are worse yet and fit for nothing but to be cast out trodden under the feet of men.

Ivan88 · Aug 31, 2013

Is it time to finish the job begun by Syria in the 7th Century A.D.?

reedak · Aug 31, 2013

litwin said: ↑

Syrian (Ghouta) 'chemical' attack, is it the worst False flag operation in a history?

i mean ....come on, who really can buy it? what Assad can achieve by this "attack"?.....
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1. My friend, so far you have done very well in the debate on this topic. Keep it up. I look forward to more thought-provoking posts from you.

I don't think those supposed victims of chemical attacks in Syria are acting like Hollywood celebs.

Given the US regime's insistence that chemical weapons have been used in Syria, it appears they have already known that chemical weapons would be used beforehand. Hence, it can be very certain that the UN findings will confirm that chemical weapons have been used in Syria.

However, the most important question is: Who is guilty of using the chemical weapons?

Without direct proof, “who dunnit” remains an open question.

The Syrian rebels are no idiots. They could not have missed the subtle hint, conveyed wittingly or unwittingly, by Obama's warning of his so-called "red line" on the use of chemical weapons in Syria.

It is conceivable for Assad to resort to the foolish and crazy act of using chemical weapons on the verge of victory as it is synonymous with suicide. It is more inconceivable for the American Empire, which had been using chemical weapons repeatedly in the past and is now descending gradually into the decadence of Sodom and Gomorrah, to stand on the moral high ground and act as the world's police.

In conclusion, the chemical attacks look like a false flag operation done at the expense of innocent lives.

2. The following are excerpts from the article headlined "Evidence: Syrian Rebels used Chemical Weapons (not Assad)" at http://www.conservativeactionalerts...yrian-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-not-assad/

(Begin excerpts)
.....In fact, even before Assad’s forces gained the momentum, a UN official reportedly found evidence of rebels using chemical weapons but no evidence Assad’s regime did. This, from a Washington Times article by Shaun Waterman dated May 6, 2013:

Testimony from victims strongly suggests it was the rebels, not the Syrian government, that used Sarin nerve gas during a recent incident in the revolution-wracked nation, a senior U.N. diplomat said Monday.

Carla del Ponte, a member of the U.N. Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria, told Swiss TV there were “strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof,” that rebels seeking to oust Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad had used the nerve agent.

But she said her panel had not yet seen any evidence of Syrian government forces using chemical weapons, according to the BBC, but she added that more investigation was needed. {emphasis ours}

Today, while the rebels are more desperate than they were at the time of that article, evidence of rebels using chemical weapons is available; evidence Assad’s regime has used them is not..... (End excerpts)

3. The following are excerpts from the article headlined "America Does Not have the Right to Lecture Syria on Chemical Weapons" at http://thedailybanter.com/2013/08/a...e-right-to-lecture-syria-on-chemical-weapons/

(Begin excerpts)
....does the US have the moral authority to attack another country for human rights abuses? For anyone with the vaguest understanding of history, the answer is pretty clear. The United States has a pretty horrendous record on human rights, most recently in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Not only did the US illegally invade both nations, it also committed numerous war crimes against their populations. In Fallujah, US forces used chemical weapons (white phosphorous) to flush out insurgents, and in Afghanistan, US soldier routinely committed war crimes against innocent civilians. The Wikileaks leaks showed the extent of US crimes in both countries, evidence that should definitively end the argument that the US wields any sort of moral authority around the world. To boot, America has a history of bankrolling despots (Saddam Hussein, Hosni Mubarak, Mobutu Sese Seko, Mohamed Suharto, Pol Pot, etc etc) all of whom brutalized their own people with little acknowledgment from the American government.

Thirdly, what are the actual reasons why the US is considering an attack on Syria? Given there are war crimes being committed around the world on scales far larger than Syria it stands to reason that the US isn’t getting involved due to its compassion for the Syrian people. Although Syria does not have huge oil resources, they are substantial (around 24% of Syria’s GDP, 25% of budget revenues and 40% of export revenues). There are also large untapped oil fields from the Lebanese border to the Syrian coast that, according to reports from Inseis, a Norwegian company, contain an amount of oil “equivalent to all of Kuwait’s reserves”. China and Russia have both condemned the proposed Western assault, clearly a sign that they feel their interests are at stake. The Saudis have apparently just offered Russia a huge oil deal if they back off of their support of Syria, further proof that the world’s interest has little to do with the plight of Syrians and more about their energy resources.

If Syria’s main export were bananas, it’s safe to say we wouldn’t be hearing too much about it....

Americans should be very, very skeptical any time a bad guy is announced by their leaders. No one knew who Bashar Assad was a couple of years ago, yet now he is a bonafide evil doer who must be stopped at any cost.

It’s a familiar script that has played itself out one too many times in recent years. The US government embroils itself in a war with a country most of its citizens know nothing about – it goes on longer than expected, it costs a lot of money, and lots of people die. There’s also the exacerbated hatred of America and the increased threat of terrorism that comes from intervening in someone else’s country.

Thankfully, the American public seems to be adamantly against an intervention in Syria, with polling numbers showing that a proposed war is less popular than Congress itself - a sure sign that it’s a very, very bad idea. (End excerpts)

UN notes 'concrete suspicions' that Syrian rebels used chemical weapons
http://rt.com/news/un-syria-rebels-chemical-weapons-854/

The Sin of Sodom
http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/sodom.html

Sodom and Gomorrah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah

Obama Officially Pins the Blame Of Chemical Weapons Attack On Assad
http://www.policymic.com/articles/6...the-blame-of-chemical-weapons-attack-on-assad

How Syria's Jihadists Win Friends and Influence People
http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/how-syrias-jihadists-win-friends-and-influence-people/

False flag
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

Bishadi · Sep 1, 2013

reedak said: ↑

In conclusion, the chemical attacks look like a false flag operation done at the expense of innocent lives.
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That is how i feel too.

It's the primary "why", that im even in the debate.

I already know I cant stop ww3, even as that is my utter aim to stop.

Ivan88 · Sep 1, 2013

Those who want the US to bomb or invade Syria also support the aiding and abetting of terrorists to attack the Syrian people.
And they fully support the things the terrorists do, such as: running over people's heads with trucks, cutting out eyes, burning people to death, cutting off all the limbs, slowly, then slowly cutting off the head.

Not only that, the people who support the terrorists against Syria are perfectly willing to do the same thing to Americans, and are planning to do so. That is why the war crazies have build huge concentration camps, ordered thousands of guilotines and have bought a billion rounds of dum dum ammo.

American "Christians" are to blame, because they supported all the things that brought us to this point, supporting over 150 years of non-stop wars of aggression, destroying hundreds of cities, starving, maiming and slaughtering millions, and unleasing, protecting, aiding and arming something far worse than themselves.

When the USA supported the terrorists in Czechoslovakia, they too ran over people's heads with trucks, and burned people alive etc.
Americans have schieze for brains. They just keep on believing lie after lie and doing millions of atrocities over and over and over again with no end in sight. They just got done destroying Libya and handing it over to cutthroat Allah-Akhbar crazies, and now they are trying to murder their mother country, Syria.

When faced with their crimes, they say, "I didn't do it." Yet they are perfectly happy to slaughter millions of people who didn't do anything to America, just because the stupid "American" was told by the TV that "those peoples' leader is an evil dictator".

They think that because they can vote for 2 evils, they have a choice. They think democracy can overthrow the basic Constitution of American Life, and the lives of all countries. To them, democracy can negate the Rights of Man, (10 Commandments) over night, and its all "proper."

Toefoot · Sep 1, 2013

Maybe it is time for Syria to get its (*)(*)(*)(*) together, this tribal crap is growing old so stop crying. It is a (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up State, has always been a (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up State. It is a good thing that they are killing each other they just need to be better at it.....Yes the US needs to stay out of it.

Ivan88 said: ↑

Those who want the US to bomb or invade Syria also support the aiding and abetting of terrorists to attack the Syrian people.
And they fully support the things the terrorists do, such as: running over people's heads with trucks, cutting out eyes, burning people to death, cutting off all the limbs, slowly, then slowly cutting off the head.

Not only that, the people who support the terrorists against Syria are perfectly willing to do the same thing to Americans, and are planning to do so. That is why the war crazies have build huge concentration camps, ordered thousands of guilotines and have bought a billion rounds of dum dum ammo.

American "Christians" are to blame, because they supported all the things that brought us to this point, supporting over 150 years of non-stop wars of aggression, destroying hundreds of cities, starving, maiming and slaughtering millions, and unleasing, protecting, aiding and arming something far worse than themselves.

When the USA supported the terrorists in Czechoslovakia, they too ran over people's heads with trucks, and burned people alive etc.
Americans have schieze for brains. They just keep on believing lie after lie and doing millions of atrocities over and over and over again with no end in sight. They just got done destroying Libya and handing it over to cutthroat Allah-Akhbar crazies, and now they are trying to murder their mother country, Syria.

When faced with their crimes, they say, "I didn't do it." Yet they are perfectly happy to slaughter millions of people who didn't do anything to America, just because the stupid "American" was told by the TV that "those peoples' leader is an evil dictator".

They think that because they can vote for 2 evils, they have a choice. They think democracy can overthrow the basic Constitution of American Life, and the lives of all countries. To them, democracy can negate the Rights of Man, (10 Commandments) over night, and its all "proper."
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Toefoot · Sep 1, 2013

Poor Syria, a victim of the world and the US. Stop crying. Syria is to blame.

reedak said: ↑

1. My friend, so far you have done very well in the debate on this topic. Keep it up. I look forward to more thought-provoking posts from you.

I don't think those supposed victims of chemical attacks in Syria are acting like Hollywood celebs.

Given the US regime's insistence that chemical weapons have been used in Syria, it appears they have already known that chemical weapons would be used beforehand. Hence, it can be very certain that the UN findings will confirm that chemical weapons have been used in Syria.

However, the most important question is: Who is guilty of using the chemical weapons?

Without direct proof, “who dunnit” remains an open question.

The Syrian rebels are no idiots. They could not have missed the subtle hint, conveyed wittingly or unwittingly, by Obama's warning of his so-called "red line" on the use of chemical weapons in Syria.

It is conceivable for Assad to resort to the foolish and crazy act of using chemical weapons on the verge of victory as it is synonymous with suicide. It is more inconceivable for the American Empire, which had been using chemical weapons repeatedly in the past and is now descending gradually into the decadence of Sodom and Gomorrah, to stand on the moral high ground and act as the world's police.

In conclusion, the chemical attacks look like a false flag operation done at the expense of innocent lives.

2. The following are excerpts from the article headlined "Evidence: Syrian Rebels used Chemical Weapons (not Assad)" at http://www.conservativeactionalerts...yrian-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-not-assad/

(Begin excerpts)
.....In fact, even before Assad’s forces gained the momentum, a UN official reportedly found evidence of rebels using chemical weapons but no evidence Assad’s regime did. This, from a Washington Times article by Shaun Waterman dated May 6, 2013:

Testimony from victims strongly suggests it was the rebels, not the Syrian government, that used Sarin nerve gas during a recent incident in the revolution-wracked nation, a senior U.N. diplomat said Monday.

Carla del Ponte, a member of the U.N. Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria, told Swiss TV there were “strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof,” that rebels seeking to oust Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad had used the nerve agent.

But she said her panel had not yet seen any evidence of Syrian government forces using chemical weapons, according to the BBC, but she added that more investigation was needed. {emphasis ours}

Today, while the rebels are more desperate than they were at the time of that article, evidence of rebels using chemical weapons is available; evidence Assad’s regime has used them is not..... (End excerpts)

3. The following are excerpts from the article headlined "America Does Not have the Right to Lecture Syria on Chemical Weapons" at http://thedailybanter.com/2013/08/a...e-right-to-lecture-syria-on-chemical-weapons/

(Begin excerpts)
....does the US have the moral authority to attack another country for human rights abuses? For anyone with the vaguest understanding of history, the answer is pretty clear. The United States has a pretty horrendous record on human rights, most recently in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Not only did the US illegally invade both nations, it also committed numerous war crimes against their populations. In Fallujah, US forces used chemical weapons (white phosphorous) to flush out insurgents, and in Afghanistan, US soldier routinely committed war crimes against innocent civilians. The Wikileaks leaks showed the extent of US crimes in both countries, evidence that should definitively end the argument that the US wields any sort of moral authority around the world. To boot, America has a history of bankrolling despots (Saddam Hussein, Hosni Mubarak, Mobutu Sese Seko, Mohamed Suharto, Pol Pot, etc etc) all of whom brutalized their own people with little acknowledgment from the American government.

Thirdly, what are the actual reasons why the US is considering an attack on Syria? Given there are war crimes being committed around the world on scales far larger than Syria it stands to reason that the US isn’t getting involved due to its compassion for the Syrian people. Although Syria does not have huge oil resources, they are substantial (around 24% of Syria’s GDP, 25% of budget revenues and 40% of export revenues). There are also large untapped oil fields from the Lebanese border to the Syrian coast that, according to reports from Inseis, a Norwegian company, contain an amount of oil “equivalent to all of Kuwait’s reserves”. China and Russia have both condemned the proposed Western assault, clearly a sign that they feel their interests are at stake. The Saudis have apparently just offered Russia a huge oil deal if they back off of their support of Syria, further proof that the world’s interest has little to do with the plight of Syrians and more about their energy resources.

If Syria’s main export were bananas, it’s safe to say we wouldn’t be hearing too much about it....

Americans should be very, very skeptical any time a bad guy is announced by their leaders. No one knew who Bashar Assad was a couple of years ago, yet now he is a bonafide evil doer who must be stopped at any cost.

It’s a familiar script that has played itself out one too many times in recent years. The US government embroils itself in a war with a country most of its citizens know nothing about – it goes on longer than expected, it costs a lot of money, and lots of people die. There’s also the exacerbated hatred of America and the increased threat of terrorism that comes from intervening in someone else’s country.

Thankfully, the American public seems to be adamantly against an intervention in Syria, with polling numbers showing that a proposed war is less popular than Congress itself - a sure sign that it’s a very, very bad idea. (End excerpts)

UN notes 'concrete suspicions' that Syrian rebels used chemical weapons
http://rt.com/news/un-syria-rebels-chemical-weapons-854/

The Sin of Sodom
http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/sodom.html

Sodom and Gomorrah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah

Obama Officially Pins the Blame Of Chemical Weapons Attack On Assad
http://www.policymic.com/articles/6...the-blame-of-chemical-weapons-attack-on-assad

How Syria's Jihadists Win Friends and Influence People
http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/how-syrias-jihadists-win-friends-and-influence-people/

False flag
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag
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nom de plume · Sep 1, 2013

allegoricalfact said: ↑

You forgot to put a choice for Mr Nobody ......we don't even know if any attack happened yet or if the whole thing is a fake.
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It probably did happen. And if did, it was the radical, terrorist Muslim Brotherhood themselves who did it so they can blame pro-U.S., conservative Assad.

Obama is stalling and hopefully he won't attack the Muslim Brotherhood (bad guys) rebels who are trying to oust Assad (good guy).

Even if did have chemical weapons, and Obama did attack Assad, it wouldn't do any good. By now, Assad would have hidden all his alleged chemical weapons in Mosques and public schools which are exempt from attack.

Also, protests all across America are starting to gain momentum to stop Obama from attacking good guy Assad. The protests consist mostly of pro-Assad Syrians and Lebanese who know first-hand about the radical, Islamist-terrorist, Muslim Brotherhood which Obama so loves and worships.

Conservative, Christian and Jewish Americans should join the good Syrians in the protests to stop the radical rebels of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Ivan88 · Sep 1, 2013

In 1919, Syria petitioned to become part of the USA.
But the apostate Christians of America refused.
The Syrians actually believed that Americans were a good nation.
The Syrians offered America military bases only a few years ago, but we refused, preferring our plans to hand over Syria first to murdering fake Muslims, then eventually to the Israelis.

The war against Syria is happening for 1 reason. The USA is supporting the war against the foundation stones of Western Civilization (Syria) and the mother (Syria) of Christian Israel and America. Those planning to destroy Syria want to re-write history and replace it with another one.

If America would honor its Divine Mandate and order itself, the Brits, French, Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar, Turkish regimes to stop their war on Syria,
there would be no war in Syria.

Toefoot · Sep 1, 2013

Syria is a victim of its own making.

Ivan88 said: ↑

In 1919, Syria petitioned to become part of the USA.
But the apostate Christians of America refused.
The Syrians actually believed that Americans were a good nation.
The Syrians offered America military bases only a few years ago, but we refused, preferring our plans to hand over Syria first to murdering fake Muslims, then eventually to the Israelis.

The war against Syria is happening for 1 reason. The USA is supporting the war against the foundation stones of Western Civilization (Syria) and the mother (Syria) of Christian Israel and America. Those planning to destroy Syria want to re-write history and replace it with another one.

If America would honor its Divine Mandate and order itself, the Brits, French, Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar, Turkish regimes to stop their war on Syria,
there would be no war in Syria.
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litwin · Sep 1, 2013

BBC is a part of this plan...titel "US 'has evidence of Syrian sarin use' " ok, i open this artical and what i see ?

John Kerry: US 'has evidence of Syrian sarin use'
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23918889 ...

ps

Ivan88 · Sep 1, 2013

One of the reasons why people support a war on Syria is because they hate Germans.
Germany was a Syrian colony at one time. And Syrians are called "cousins German" in the Duoay Bible 1609:

1
Genesis 29:10
And when Jacob saw her, and knew her to be his cousin-german, and that they were the sheep of Laban, his uncle: he removed the stone wherewith the well was closed.

2
1 Kings (1 Samuel) 14:50
And the name of Saul' s wife, was Achinoam the daughter of Achimaas; and the name of the captain of his army was Abner, the son of Ner, the cousin german of Saul.

3
Colossians 4:10
Aristarchus, my fellow prisoner, saluteth you, and Mark, the cousin german of Barnabus, touching whom you have received commandments; if he come unto you, receive him:

Modern day Pharisees hate Germans. One reason is that Germany hosted the reformation that put a big dent in their Vatican oppression.

Germany and Syria have had the same flags:

Another reason why the USA has been waging war on Syria is because the US has become an anti-Chirst Talmudic country with its adoption of the Talmudic Noahide laws, that require the USA on the word of 1 perjured witness to destroy Syria.

litwin · Sep 1, 2013

reedak said: ↑

1. My friend, so far you have done very well in the debate on this topic. Keep it up. I look forward to more thought-provoking posts from you.

I don't think those supposed victims of chemical attacks in Syria are acting like Hollywood celebs.

Given the US regime's insistence that chemical weapons have been used in Syria, it appears they have already known that chemical weapons would be used beforehand. Hence, it can be very certain that the UN findings will confirm that chemical weapons have been used in Syria.

However, the most important question is: Who is guilty of using the chemical weapons?

Without direct proof, who dunnit remains an open question.

The Syrian rebels are no idiots. They could not have missed the subtle hint, conveyed wittingly or unwittingly, by Obama's warning of his so-called "red line" on the use of chemical weapons in Syria.

It is conceivable for Assad to resort to the foolish and crazy act of using chemical weapons on the verge of victory as it is synonymous with suicide. It is more inconceivable for the American Empire, which had been using chemical weapons repeatedly in the past and is now descending gradually into the decadence of Sodom and Gomorrah, to stand on the moral high ground and act as the world's police.

In conclusion, the chemical attacks look like a false flag operation done at the expense of innocent lives.

2. The following are excerpts from the article headlined "Evidence: Syrian Rebels used Chemical Weapons (not Assad)" at http://www.conservativeactionalerts...yrian-rebels-used-chemical-weapons-not-assad/

(Begin excerpts)
.....In fact, even before Assads forces gained the momentum, a UN official reportedly found evidence of rebels using chemical weapons but no evidence Assads regime did. This, from a Washington Times article by Shaun Waterman dated May 6, 2013:

Testimony from victims strongly suggests it was the rebels, not the Syrian government, that used Sarin nerve gas during a recent incident in the revolution-wracked nation, a senior U.N. diplomat said Monday.

Carla del Ponte, a member of the U.N. Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria, told Swiss TV there were strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof, that rebels seeking to oust Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad had used the nerve agent.

But she said her panel had not yet seen any evidence of Syrian government forces using chemical weapons, according to the BBC, but she added that more investigation was needed. {emphasis ours}

Today, while the rebels are more desperate than they were at the time of that article, evidence of rebels using chemical weapons is available; evidence Assads regime has used them is not..... (End excerpts)

3. The following are excerpts from the article headlined "America Does Not have the Right to Lecture Syria on Chemical Weapons" at http://thedailybanter.com/2013/08/a...e-right-to-lecture-syria-on-chemical-weapons/

(Begin excerpts)
....does the US have the moral authority to attack another country for human rights abuses? For anyone with the vaguest understanding of history, the answer is pretty clear. The United States has a pretty horrendous record on human rights, most recently in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Not only did the US illegally invade both nations, it also committed numerous war crimes against their populations. In Fallujah, US forces used chemical weapons (white phosphorous) to flush out insurgents, and in Afghanistan, US soldier routinely committed war crimes against innocent civilians. The Wikileaks leaks showed the extent of US crimes in both countries, evidence that should definitively end the argument that the US wields any sort of moral authority around the world. To boot, America has a history of bankrolling despots (Saddam Hussein, Hosni Mubarak, Mobutu Sese Seko, Mohamed Suharto, Pol Pot, etc etc) all of whom brutalized their own people with little acknowledgment from the American government.

Thirdly, what are the actual reasons why the US is considering an attack on Syria? Given there are war crimes being committed around the world on scales far larger than Syria it stands to reason that the US isnt getting involved due to its compassion for the Syrian people. Although Syria does not have huge oil resources, they are substantial (around 24% of Syrias GDP, 25% of budget revenues and 40% of export revenues). There are also large untapped oil fields from the Lebanese border to the Syrian coast that, according to reports from Inseis, a Norwegian company, contain an amount of oil equivalent to all of Kuwaits reserves. China and Russia have both condemned the proposed Western assault, clearly a sign that they feel their interests are at stake. The Saudis have apparently just offered Russia a huge oil deal if they back off of their support of Syria, further proof that the worlds interest has little to do with the plight of Syrians and more about their energy resources.

If Syrias main export were bananas, its safe to say we wouldnt be hearing too much about it....

Americans should be very, very skeptical any time a bad guy is announced by their leaders. No one knew who Bashar Assad was a couple of years ago, yet now he is a bonafide evil doer who must be stopped at any cost.

Its a familiar script that has played itself out one too many times in recent years. The US government embroils itself in a war with a country most of its citizens know nothing about it goes on longer than expected, it costs a lot of money, and lots of people die. Theres also the exacerbated hatred of America and the increased threat of terrorism that comes from intervening in someone elses country.

Thankfully, the American public seems to be adamantly against an intervention in Syria, with polling numbers showing that a proposed war is less popular than Congress itself - a sure sign that its a very, very bad idea. (End excerpts)

UN notes 'concrete suspicions' that Syrian rebels used chemical weapons
http://rt.com/news/un-syria-rebels-chemical-weapons-854/

The Sin of Sodom
http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/sodom.html

Sodom and Gomorrah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah

Obama Officially Pins the Blame Of Chemical Weapons Attack On Assad
http://www.policymic.com/articles/6...the-blame-of-chemical-weapons-attack-on-assad

How Syria's Jihadists Win Friends and Influence People
http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/how-syrias-jihadists-win-friends-and-influence-people/

False flag
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag
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they are ideiots

No, you are worng Obama's warned only Assad and so-called "red line" setted only for him not for the wahhabits .

litwin · Sep 1, 2013

skeptic-f said: ↑

France thinks that it has a mandate to interfere with military force anywhere it used to have a colony or protectorate. Since Syria was under French control for a few decades, that makes it a fine candidate for French military intervention.
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much like in Lebanon 20 years ago . and it will end up like in Lebanon

[video=youtube;mXeW1YuwnkE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXeW1YuwnkE[/video]

alexa · Sep 1, 2013

litwin said: ↑

much like in Lebanon 20 years ago . and it will end up like in Lebanon

[video=youtube;mXeW1YuwnkE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXeW1YuwnkE[/video]
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Open Democracy has it as like Afghanistan in the 80's. This is in June when the US had decided to arm the the Rebels

Rather than giving the opposition a decisive means to victory, arms to Syria will only prolong the violence and suggest a grander agenda: rebalancing regional power.

Which Afghanistan parallel?

But there is another much gloomier explanation as well. Bill Clinton hinted at it during a private event In New York on Tuesday 11 June. He was there alongside John McCain, an outspoken supporter of forcible intervention, and remarked that people focused too much on Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11 when thinking about parallels to Syria today.

Instead, he suggested, they should think about Afghanistan in the 1980s and the decision taken by President Reagan to arm the anti-Soviet resistance. Here is some of what he reportedly said:

'Nobody is asking for American soldiers in Syria. The only question is now that the Russians, the Iranians and the Hizbollah are in there head over heels, 90 miles to nothing, should we try to do something to slow their gains and rebalance the power?'

According to Clinton afterwards, this was an answer to a question near the end of the evening. It was not a scripted speech. So lets not over-read it. But nonetheless, take another look at what he suggests the purpose of arms supplies would be and its chilling: not to overthrow Assad but to slow him and his allies down, not to ring peace or democracy but to rebalance the power.

The realist game

Why? What could be the rational point of that? Answer: to weaken Assads major external supporter Iran. The parallel with Afghanistan in the 1980s is instructive here, because support for the anti-Soviet forces is widely (and in my view somewhat exaggeratedly) seen as being partly responsible for bring down the USSR.

It is a parallel with lots of attractions for contemporary US policy-makers and a policy that, once an acceptable supply pipeline has been set, and assuming the idea of providing shoulder-launched ground-to-air missiles is ruled out because all pipelines have their leaks a policy that looks pretty easy to run and to calibrate. When the adversary gains, accelerate supplies; when the adversary faces some reverses, ease back again. That ease of operation may be deceptive but when there is an opportunity to play the great power game, long-term risk assessment may fall by the wayside.

The war has killed nearly 100,000 people and 1.6 million refugees have fled. But a greater tragedy awaits the Syrian people for the country has become an arena where a great power game is being played out.

If the great power game continues and deepens, there will be no end to Syrians suffering. They will not just be collateral damage, they will not even be pawns, they will collectively form the chessboard on which the game is played. This is what is known in foreign policy as realism à loutrance, partially disguised by being cloaked in the language of a reluctant liberal internationalism.

Few commentators have picked this up. Daniel Drezner has expressed it explicitly in the Foreign Policy magazine blog, calling it a form of asymmetric warfare for the US, and Frank Ledwidge touched on it when he noted that no game-changer weapons are on the agenda. Because the true awfulness of the great power game played out in a country like Syria is that it would be a tactical error to win too quickly.

Diplomacy, the only alternative
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http://testing.opendemocracy.net/opensecurity/dan-smith/syria-intervention-or-great-power-game

Sounds credible. This world has no moral compass

Monster Zero · Sep 1, 2013

Ivan88 said: ↑

Those who want the US to bomb or invade Syria also support the aiding and abetting of terrorists to attack the Syrian people.And they fully support the things the terrorists do, such as: running over people's heads with trucks, cutting out eyes, burning people to death, cutting off all the limbs, slowly, then slowly cutting off the head.
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If America and our President can do a policy this heinous in Syria - I don't know why people would put it past the U.S. govmnt to have done 9/11, as an excuse to get at Iraqs oil, and this WMD excuse to get at Syrias oil and gas.

That terrorism America is doing in Syria is some really evil stuff. They target defenseless civillians, kill children, use human shields, mutilate people, and kill some just because of their ethnicity.

““Afghans affiliated to the al-Qaeda constitute over 65% of the Jihadi Salafi groups in (the Syrian province of) Deir Ezzor and they have come to Syria from Iraq,” the military source told FNA on the condition of anonymity.

"The Syrian army’s intelligence displays that these Jihadi Salafis have been trained by the terrorist al-Qaeda organization and have infiltrated into Syria through Iraq after passing some necessary training courses,” the source added."

"“The Turkish intelligence agency sent 93 Al-Qaeda and Taliban terrorists from Waziristan to Hatay province near the border with Syria on a Turkish Air Airbus flight No. 709 on September 10, 2012 and via the Karachi-Istanbul flight route,” the source told FNA in September, adding that the flight had a short stop in Istanbul.

The 93 terrorists transited to the Turkish border with Syria included Al-Qaeda militants from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan and a group of Arabs residing in Waziristan, he added."

Al-Qaeda and Taliban Militants Fighting in Syria Come from Afghanistan-Pakistan - BlackListedNews.com

The growing acknowledgment within official circles that Al Qaeda is playing a decisive role in Syria’s civil war exposes both the real nature of the US-backed bid to topple the government of President Bashar al-Assad and the fraud of Washington’s “war on terror.”

Washington

Amy Goodman is COINTELPRO , Lying Imperialist Scum

Overblown Casualty Figures, Blamed on the Government

"Goodman indulged in the overblown casualty figures from dubious Syrian opposition sources as if they were verifiable accurate data. She even sounded like Hillary Clinton in talking up the “defection” of the hapless former Syrian Brigadier General Manaf Tlass as “significant” when informed sources discount that news as a minor irrelevance."

DEMOCRACY NOW! AND “PROGRESSIVE ALTERNATIVE MEDIA”: CHEERLEADERS FOR IMERIALISM AND WAR | Syria 360°

[video=youtube;dm2ZzmLULx4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm2ZzmLULx4[/video]

litwin · Sep 1, 2013

Monster Zero said: ↑

If America and our President can do a policy this heinous in Syria - I don't know why people would put it past the U.S. govmnt to have done 9/11, as an excuse to get at Iraqs oil, and this WMD excuse to get at Syrias oil and gas.

That terrorism America is doing in Syria is some really evil stuff. They target defenseless civillians, kill children, use human shields, mutilate people, and kill some just because of their ethnicity.

““Afghans affiliated to the al-Qaeda constitute over 65% of the Jihadi Salafi groups in (the Syrian province of) Deir Ezzor and they have come to Syria from Iraq,” the military source told FNA on the condition of anonymity.

"The Syrian army’s intelligence displays that these Jihadi Salafis have been trained by the terrorist al-Qaeda organization and have infiltrated into Syria through Iraq after passing some necessary training courses,” the source added."

"“The Turkish intelligence agency sent 93 Al-Qaeda and Taliban terrorists from Waziristan to Hatay province near the border with Syria on a Turkish Air Airbus flight No. 709 on September 10, 2012 and via the Karachi-Istanbul flight route,” the source told FNA in September, adding that the flight had a short stop in Istanbul.

The 93 terrorists transited to the Turkish border with Syria included Al-Qaeda militants from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan and a group of Arabs residing in Waziristan, he added."

Al-Qaeda and Taliban Militants Fighting in Syria Come from Afghanistan-Pakistan - BlackListedNews.com

The growing acknowledgment within official circles that Al Qaeda is playing a decisive role in Syria’s civil war exposes both the real nature of the US-backed bid to topple the government of President Bashar al-Assad and the fraud of Washington’s “war on terror.”

Washington

Amy Goodman is COINTELPRO , Lying Imperialist Scum

Overblown Casualty Figures, Blamed on the Government

"Goodman indulged in the overblown casualty figures from dubious Syrian opposition sources as if they were verifiable accurate data. She even sounded like Hillary Clinton in talking up the “defection” of the hapless former Syrian Brigadier General Manaf Tlass as “significant” when informed sources discount that news as a minor irrelevance."

DEMOCRACY NOW! AND “PROGRESSIVE ALTERNATIVE MEDIA”: CHEERLEADERS FOR IMERIALISM AND WAR | Syria 360°

[video=youtube;dm2ZzmLULx4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm2ZzmLULx4[/video]
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LOL. American private jihady army since early 80s...they started cooperated in Kabul university (acid attacks on female students )

Stuart Wolfe · Sep 1, 2013

allegoricalfact said: ↑

You forgot to put a choice for Mr Nobody ......we don't even know if any attack happened yet or if the whole thing is a fake.
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The Brotherhood of Dada attacked Syria?

Monster Zero · Sep 1, 2013

According to one journalist, Meetings were held to discuss disinformation campaigns. Attending were PSYOP officers, embedded in the satellite TV channels of Al-Arabiya, Al-Jazeera, BBC, CNN, Fox, France 24, Future TV and MTV.

Washington's Imperial Brinksmanship | War Is A Crime .org

Nothing to FEAR here, I have the HIGHEST ethical journalism standards, (commonly referred to as SHOOT THE MESSENGER)

what a farce Ms. Maddow, does Obama work for the Bush Crime Family now .. And with the total censorship in the Progressive media ... Norman Goldman, Tom Hartman, Randi Rhodes and Ed ignore, see no evil in the war secretly started by Obama in Syria.

We were all outraged by Nicaragua and Reagan-Bush ... what changed? ... For sale hosts and Uncle Sam stenographers or are you all just cointel-FBI? ... gee Ed Schultz why did you support Obombers Libya invasion, whaddya some kind of Cointel interlopers

Thom Hartman and the rest only cover Obama wars when the no fly zone is put in place and the war has already begun like with Libya - no the liberal hosts dont cover the lies, the military buildup, and the false flag which led to said wars, they just did that to the Bushs what about the warmongers in your own party - Smug old Amy Goodman acts like SHE invented the antiwar movement while the Democrats Now show builds the lies to invade Syria and while quoting the fake, govmnt funded London Obervatory 70,000 dead figure killed by Assad propaganda. Shes a Ford Foundation CIA asset scumbag playing prepackaged dissent, canned scripts using the photos of Dr. King and Mother Theresa, and protest folk music jingles to hide behind

Hillary no way hosea, Susan Rice and her made enough threats and wars to make McCain stagger back in his lair in the latest episode of the WALKING DEAD, I mean the US SENATE. Tell us why do old fossils such as McCain still cling so desperately to power into their 80′s, when they have 6 mansions and a billionaire wife

Assad didnt cause those atrocities, the Obama CIA did.

[video=youtube;7xcqkNlG3ik]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7xcqkNlG3ik[/video]

[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFhlaiHnd3Y[/video]

War for control of Oil: Iraq, Libya, now Syria, next Iran - Short Inspiring*Stories by Bill Woollam*

And it looks like Looks like Stewart is gonna be another regular Steven Schlemiel-berg!

Iran needs LIBERATED?

Jon Stewart is a film director, oh that tickles ,Stewart does Wolf Blitzkreig

Stuart Leibowitz eh I Mean Jon Stewart, to Direct Anti-Iran Film Propaganda About Green Revolution Provocateur | American Everyman

I was sure the govmnt would have blamed the Boston bombing on Iran so Uncle Sam could use some of the tanks and ammo they just bought.

Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks to Go With Their 1.6 Billion Bullet Stockpile

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...o-go-with-their-1-6-billion-bullet-stockpile/

On the other hand, Hollywood always knows whats best

[video=youtube;R3xAlsKeDzA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=R3xAlsKeDzA[/video]

Monster Zero · Sep 1, 2013

How long have they been planning this mass murder while
Jon Stewart, Ed Schlitz, and Rachel Madcow, distracted us from the crimes with their phony liberal sideshows ???

U.S. secretly backed Syrian opposition groups, cables released by WikiLeaks show

"The State Department has secretly financed Syrian political opposition groups and related projects, including a satellite TV channel that beams anti-government programming into the country, according to previously undisclosed diplomatic cables.

The London-based satellite channel, Barada TV, began broadcasting in April 2009 but has ramped up operations to cover the mass protests in Syria as part of a long-standing campaign to overthrow the country’s autocratic leader, Bashar al-Assad. Human rights groups say scores of people have been killed by Assad’s security forces since the demonstrations began March 18; Syria has blamed the violence on “armed gangs.”

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...position-diplomatic-cables-syrian-authorities

What Has Been Happening In Syria?

"Back in Nov 2011, historian and investigative journalist Webster Tarpley went on a fact finding week long visit to Syria with a group of other journalists ...across the board say they are been shot at by snipers and that in Hims in particular (where all the inital Western media reports were focused on) the people complain that there are terrorists snipers that shoot at civilians -men, women and children, random killings, simply for the purpose of destablizing the country."

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/101538

Exposed: The Arab agenda in Syria
By Pepe Escobar

"The report is adamant. There was no organized, lethal repression by the Syrian government against peaceful protesters. Instead, the report points to shady armed gangs as responsible for hundreds of deaths among Syrian civilians, and over one thousand among the Syrian army, using lethal tactics such as bombing of civilian buses, bombing of trains carrying diesel oil, bombing of police buses and bombing of bridges and pipelines. "

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NB04Ak01.html

Sab · Sep 1, 2013

Ivan88 said: ↑

One of the reasons why people support a war on Syria is because they hate Germans.
Germany was a Syrian colony at one time. And Syrians are called "cousins German" in the Duoay Bible 1609:

1
Genesis 29:10
And when Jacob saw her, and knew her to be his cousin-german, and that they were the sheep of Laban, his uncle: he removed the stone wherewith the well was closed.

2
1 Kings (1 Samuel) 14:50
And the name of Saul' s wife, was Achinoam the daughter of Achimaas; and the name of the captain of his army was Abner, the son of Ner, the cousin german of Saul.

3
Colossians 4:10
Aristarchus, my fellow prisoner, saluteth you, and Mark, the cousin german of Barnabus, touching whom you have received commandments; if he come unto you, receive him:

Modern day Pharisees hate Germans. One reason is that Germany hosted the reformation that put a big dent in their Vatican oppression.

Germany and Syria have had the same flags:

View attachment 22103 Another reason why the USA has been waging war on Syria is because the US has become an anti-Chirst Talmudic country with its adoption of the Talmudic Noahide laws, that require the USA on the word of 1 perjured witness to destroy Syria.
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Another stupid christian. Syria has never been a colony of Germany.

reedak · Sep 1, 2013

litwin said: ↑

.......No, you are worng.......
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You are wrong to say that I am "worng".

litwin said: ↑

.....Obama's warned only Assad and so-called "red line" setted only for him not for the wahhabits .
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Quite true, Obama's so-called "red line" was drawn to punish Assad, not the so-called "wahhabits".

I don't think the US Imperialists would care a damn whether the Syrian rebels are idiots or not, as long as they know how to grab any golden opportunity that comes along on the way.

Using an analogy of a lame crow perching on a bald eagle in flight, the eagle wont mind the scavenger bird taking the golden opportunity of a free ride on its back.

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