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    The OP is true.
    One has to laugh at trying to debunk a youtube with an zany idiotic one.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...continent.html

    Muslim Europe: the demographic time bomb transforming our continent
    The EU is facing an era of vast social change, reports Adrian Michaels, and few politicians are taking notice
    By Adrian Michaels 08 Aug 2009


    Europe's low white birth rate, coupled with faster multiplying migrants, will change fundamentally what we take to mean by European culture and society. Photo: AFP/GETTY
    Britain and the rest of the European Union are ignoring a demographic time bomb: a recent rush into the EU by migrants, including millions of Muslims, will change the continent beyond recognition over the next two decades, and almost no policy-makers are talking about it.

    The numbers are startling. Only 3.2% of Spain's population was foreign-born in 1998. In 2007 it was 13.4%. Europe's Muslim population has more than doubled in the past 30 years and will have doubled again by 2015.

    In Brussels, the top 7 baby boys' names recently were Mohamed, Adam, Rayan, Ayoub, Mehdi, Amine and Hamza.


    Europe's low white birth rate, coupled with faster multiplying migrants, will change fundamentally what we take to mean by European culture and society.
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    How dramatic are the population changes? Everyone is aware that certain neighbourhoods of certain cities in Europe are becoming more Muslim, and that the change is gathering pace. But raw details are hard to come by as the data is sensitive: many countries in the EU do not collect population statistics by religion.

    EU numbers on general immigration tell a story on their own. In the latter years of the 20th century, the 27 countries of the EU attracted half a million more people a year than left.

    "Since 2002, however," the latest EU report says, "net migration into the EU has roughly tripled to between 1.6 million and two million people per year."

    The increased pace has made a Nonsense of previous forecasts. In 2004 the EU thought its population would decline by 16 million by 2050. Now it thinks it will increase by 10 million by 2060. Britain is expected to become the most populous EU country by 2060, with 77 million inhabitants. Right now it has 20 million fewer people than Germany. Italy's population was expected to fall precipitously; now it is predicted to stay flat.

    The study for the US Air Force by Leon Perkowski in 2006 found that there were at least 15 million Muslims in the EU, and possibly as many as 23 million. They are not uniformly distributed, of course. According to the US's Migration Policy Institute, residents of Muslim faith will account for more than 20% of the EU population by 2050 but already do so in a number of cities. Whites will be in a minority in Birmingham by 2026,says Christopher Caldwell, an American journalist, and even sooner in Leicester.

    Another forecast holds that Muslims could outnumber non-Muslims in France and perhaps in all of western Europe by mid-century. Austria was 90% Catholic in the 20th century but Islam could be the majority religion among Austrians aged under 15 by 2050, says Mr Caldwell.

    Projected growth rates are a disputed area. Birth rates can be difficult to predict and migrant numbers can ebb and flow. But Karoly Lorant, a Hungarian economist who wrote a paper for the European Parliament, calculates that Muslims already make up 25% of the population in Marseilles and Rotterdam, 20% in Malmo, 15% in Brussels and Birmingham and 10% in London, Paris and Copenhagen.
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    The EU says employment rates for non-EU nationals are lower than for nationals, which holds back economic advancement and integration. One important reason for this is a lack of language skills. The Migration Policy Institute says that, in 2007, 28% of children born in England and Wales had at least one foreign-born parent. That rose to 54% in London. Overall in 2008, 14.4% of children in primary schools had a language other than English as their first language.
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    and now, 3 years after the above article, the conservative numbers within are as bad or worse than expected.
    Last edited by Try_This; Mar 29 2012 at 12:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Try_This View Post
    The OP is true.
    One has to laugh at trying to debunk a youtube with an zany idiotic one.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...continent.html
    by European culture and society. Photo: AFP/GETTY
    3 years on and still 'trying this'.

    All totally debunked.

    Adrian Michaels is the Group Foreign Editor at the Telegraph Media Group responsible for its network of correspondents and world news output. He previously worked with TMG editor-in-chief Will Lewis at the Financial Times, where he served for 15 years, the last four of it as its Milan correspondent.[1]

    On 8 August 2009 two articles appeared under Michaels' byline characterizing Muslim Europeans as a 'demographic time bomb', who he claims will constitute one fifth of the population by 2050. The first article attributes the claim to 'various sources', all of them unnamed.[2] As the accompanying article reveals, the more outlandish claims come from neoconservative columnist Christopher Caldwell[3] In the article he lamented:

    Britain and the rest of the European Union are ignoring a demographic time bomb: a recent rush into the EU by migrants, including millions of Muslims, will change the continent beyond recognition over the next two decades, and almost no policy-makers are talking about it.

    After acknowledging that Muslims aren't the only recent immigrants to Europe, Michaels adds:

    But Muslims represent a particular set of issues beyond the fact that atrocities have been committed in the West in the name of Islam.

    Michaels then goes on to quote Christopher Caldwell of the neoconservative Weekly Standard for claims such as:

    Whites will be in a minority in Birmingham by 2026, says Christopher Caldwell, an American journalist, and even sooner in Leicester. Another forecast holds that Muslims could outnumber non-Muslims in France and perhaps in all of western Europe by mid-century. Austria was 90 per cent Catholic in the 20th century but Islam could be the majority religion among Austrians aged under 15 by 2050, says Mr Caldwell.

    The article also uses Policy Exchange as a source.
    Criticism

    Inflammatory language such as 'timebomb' aside, these claims are based on neoconservative myths that have been repeatedly debunked, by Newsweek[4] and the BBC[5] among others. Commenting on Caldwell and Bruce Bawer (another proponent of the Eurabia myth) Eliot Weinberger writes in the London Review Blog, 'there are two sets of population statistics: those of the Islamophobes and those of everyone else'.

    The general consensus is that Muslims now make up merely 3.6 per cent of the population of Western Europe, and the fertility rate of European Muslims is a fraction of 1 per cent higher than that of Christians. Allowing that second and third and fourth generations of immigrants tend to be better educated and have higher incomes, and thus have less children, and that intermarriage is common, it doesn’t seem likely there will be ever be a muzzein at the top of the Eiffel Tower, let alone, as the I-phobes warn, Sharia law in Denmark and Britain.[6]
    http://www.powerbase.info/index.php/Adrian_Michaels

    Christopher Caldwell
    Christopher Caldwell is a columnist for the Financial Times, a contributing editor for the New York Times Magazine and a senior editor at the Weekly Standard.[1] He is a leading proponent of Eurabia and of the New anti-Semitism thesis.[2][3]
    http://www.powerbase.info/index.php/...opher_Caldwell

    Eurabia

    http://www.powerbase.info/index.php/Eurabia

    Bigotry never listens to reality despite being debunked again and again. Such people learned nothing from the 1930's - or maybe they did and want to create same again???????
    Last edited by alexa; Mar 29 2012 at 02:00 AM.
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    Your website 'powerbase'.

    Quote Originally Posted by powerbase
    Criticism

    Inflammatory language such as 'timebomb' aside, these claims are based on neoconservative myths..
    "based on neoconservative myths"?
    "Michaels Does Eurabia"?

    That's obviously a highly political bunch of Jerkoffs.
    That's no objective response.
    They use Wikipedia's format but are themselves akin to Indymedia and the like.
    They are a project of 'spinwatch', apparently a leftist propaganda site.

    Adrian Michaels:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008...undaytelegraph

    http://www.charlierose.com/guest/view/1906
    Adrian Michaels is an English business and finance reporter. His work has appeared in the “Financial Times”. He and colleague, Peter Speigel, from the Washington DC bureau, received the British Press Award for, as “Business and Finance Reporters of The Year,” for their coverage of the US accounting scandals (Enron).

    http://www.pearson.com/investor/ar2003/unsung.htm
    http://www.newsbios.com/power_behind_the_pen.htm
    Quote Originally Posted by newsbios
    Journalist Spotlight

    ADRIAN MICHAELS
    Financial Times
    Correspondent

    Mr. Michaels began his journalism career, in his home of London, at the Financial Times in 1993. He completed his studies at Oxford University received his degrees in politics, philosophy and economics.

    In 1999, Mr. Michaels moved to the United States to continue penning for the Financial Times. His writing is centered upon financial regulation, the SEC, accountancy and corporate governance. He and colleague, Peter Speigel, from the Washington DC bureau, have recently received the British Press Award for, as "Business and Finance Reporters of The Year," for their coverage of the US accounting scandals (Enron).

    Mr. Michaels states, "We won the award for our coverage of the downfall of Andersen, which was particularly pleasing because we regularly scooped all the U.S. media - we did the same at a crucial moment in the Martha Stewart tribulations this year. It was a great and first win for the FT in the U.S., particularly given our relatively new, small size and mighty competition here relative to our age and dominance in the UK and Continental Europe."

    In addition to his prolific writing, Mr. Michaels makes regular appearances on CNNfn programming.
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/au...drianmichaels/
    Adrian Michaels is Group Foreign Editor at the Telegraph Media Group.
    You can write to adrian.michaels@telegraph.co.u k and follow @adrianmichaels on Twitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kilgram View Post
    Yeah were part of the Caliphate hundreds of year ago, and?
    It is logical that they inherited and saved something from that era, which practically denies the claim that Europe is being all of the sudden 'Muslimized' as referred by most of islamo-jerk-phobes, and it also implies that Europe has got some heritage from that era that is not that negligible and since the major issue over here is some sort of customs that most of Muslims follow and bring by themselves to Europe, I mentioned this fact in order to point out that many of these customs were already present on European soil.
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