Now that we see Scotland holding a fair referendum on seceeding from the United Kingdom, should we in the USA allow States to hold similar referendums on seceeding and/or forming seperate nations?
And, if they vote to secede, invade them again and subject them to 100 years of reconstruction...ooops, reeducation.
no need for a vote, just let the south go. the south costs the north more money than it brings in so let the south become just another caribean basket case.
Is there anything stopping US States holding referendums? Maybe the reason they're not isn't because something is stopping them but just that they don't want to. Those offering any kind of realistic proposals for any State to actually succeed from the USA seems to be a tiny minority.
I dont think so, that ship sailed after the civil war. No longer is this country a federation of different states. I know that is not a popular statement but it is true. The federal government has shown that it can and will use force to maintain the countries territorial integrity. Since that is the case it would make no sense to allow a vote on something that would be denied by the federal government. Not only denied but forcefully stopped.
It's illegal. What the law would be if a state wanted to secede ands the rest of the states agreed, I don't know. Since the states of the Confederacy were ALLOWED back into the Union as states after the Civil War, I don't know what the law would be if the rest of us decided to THROW them out. Texas seems a good place to start.
That's only because of political power . The south is the common sense section of the country ,don't sell it short as the financial capitals in the NE have been running rampant with rules ,regulations and corruption . DiBlasio in NYC is disilusional , Cuomo is corrupt but since this is a liberal state , well you know. The west coast is a social welfare state and completely in the imagination of the loony acting industry . I'd take good old down to earth , polite and mannered southern hospitality anytime .
You want to throw Texas out of the union? They'll be a blue state in about a decade, then it will be impossible for a Republican to be elected President ever again. I would think you would want to hang on to it.
I agree. Keep Texas. The lazy fat whites gave the state to democrats because they were too lazy to mow their own lawn.
"That's only because of political power . The south is the common sense section of the country ,don't sell it short as the financial capitals in the NE have been running rampant with rules ,regulations and corruption . DiBlasio in NYC is disilusional , Cuomo is corrupt but since this is a liberal state , well you know. The west coast is a social welfare state and completely in the imagination of the loony acting industry . I'd take good old down to earth , polite and mannered southern hospitality anytime . " has nothing to do with political power has to do with the north having more money plain and simple. Southerners are by and large just plain lazy. We all learned about southern hospitality from the KKK.
Yes but only if they are border states or enter into a new nation with another border state that is also leaving. Don't want them shooting down US aircraft or us theirs if we end up with a landlocked nation right in the middle.
Of course, every state should have to get out! Consider: the U. S. Constitution does not forbid any state from leaving the United States! The whole damned Civil War that Lincoln waged on the states that seceded from the U. S. was the act of an autocratic dictator and therefore completely illegal!
south florida really isn't part of the south. when you realize Miami is 70%hispanic, the fraud and corruption (not just Hispanics) down here is massive. The crime rate is through the roof. a national drugstore is letting the managers that are local go and bringing in northerners for managers. never saw counterfeit money till I got down here. I will be Audi soon as are many others. People are not friendly and are out to fleece whoever they can.
Its starting to seem like the USA is too divided to be governed effectively. Perhaps a split, between Conservatives and Progressives, wouldn't be such a bad idea. That way, the Conservative peoples can move forward with their agenda without extreme interference form the Left and the Progressive peoples can move forward with their agenda without extreme interference from the Right. Once we are split, Progressives and Conservatives in both nations can move to their new respective homelands.
This would give an unfair advantage to the conservatives, you know this much, right? They would have 80% of the land mass, and the center of all that is currently the United States. The liberals/progressives would only have a slice of the East Coast and the West Coast (and a barren chunk of the former Chicago and Detroit lands), and would be forced to negotiate treaties with the conservatives in order to move goods and services hither and yon. So much work, nobody willing to do it, so many consumer needs, and so few actual working tax-payers. The left-leaning coasties would collapse within a week.
You mean besides the specter of the civil war? No, nothing. Maybe the reason they don't want to is because they saw what happen the last time states tried to secede.
You don't understand, all is property of the central government in a unitary system like the US. You, your state, your home, everything you own. To leave the state is to steal its property - you. So get on your knees and submit, slave This issue has been settled already, the central government had the biggest stick - that makes it right. [hr][/hr] Pre-civil war the US was a degenerate system. Before the Glorious Leaders abolished the evil Articles of Confederation, and bravely ignored the 13/13 ratification requirement - nothing functioned. A country cannot operate without a strong central government, read your Hobbes. Independence is murder. Submit or die.
