No homophobes, you aren't persecuted.

Apparently some people think that it's just so wrong that gays are depriving them of their right to subjugate non-straight people. Apparently we're forcing ourselves upon them by having the same rights. Apparently we're violent and vicious because we don't like it when people discriminate against us.

What is it with homophobes and feeling falsely victimized?

 

The desire for their views to remain relevant. They aren't an endangered species just jet but they are on the decline.

For such a long time they controlled information, being able to say things and have them be thought of as true. Now in the free information age those canards no longer hold their hallowed place. People see the truth. Homosexuals aren't sex crazed mentally ill idiots that molest children. More than anything people don't like being lied to. Now that they realize homosexuals are just like everybody else, the culture has shifted. The abhorrent behavior is now the lies people told and still tell today about homosexuals. The coercion of the masses.

Basically put homosexual equality is the moral high ground. They don't like this so they will say homosexuals are equal already knowing better.

It's quite amusing the attempt to reclaim the moral high ground is. Basically it's do the same thing that toppled you from it in the first place only this time more extreme.

 

I began a poll on a Christian forum over a year ago and the results are somewhat encouraging.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7728763/

Do you agree that God has plans for the Gay community?

Yes, God owns this studio, we are the actors playing out our role! 9 .................24.32%

No, God would never compromise one millionth of an inch with sin!!!! 11 ..........29.73%

Yes, deep down we all love God and He has good planned for all of us. 15 ......40.54%

I have really never considered this idea before??? 8 ..........................................21.62%

Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 37. You have already voted on this poll

Messiah Yeshua - Jesus stated quite clearly that we his followers tended to be some of the most underinformed people on earth.......... he was correct!


http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=16&l=8#x


"And the lord commended the unjust steward, forasmuch as he had done wisely: for the children of this world are wiser in their generation than the children of light."

The Apostle Paul verified this tendency.......

http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=53&ch=1&l=26#x



[26] "For see your vocation, brethren, that there are not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble:[27] But the foolish things of the world hath God chosen, that he may confound the wise; and the weak things of the world hath God chosen, that he may confound the strong."

 

Yeah, you're right about that.

But it is time for gay people and their advocates to be less tolerant of the homophobia. I'm certainly not going to put up with it anymore. I just hope it doesn't come down to any 2nd Amendment 'solutions' in many of the possible cases; some people like to get 'violent' in their hatred or disagreement.

 

this is one of those different strokes/different folks issues. There is a role for advocacy, a role for aggressive advocacy and still a role for educating instead of advocating. A lot depends on the personality and style of the parties involved. I still feel more comfortable with a less strident approach but it does presuppose Ignorance wants to learn a new name and a new habit.

I am finding fewer and fewer folks where a patient, more diplomatic attitude works. There just aren't that many I can reach with a gentle non-judgmental touch. You know what I mean, where you listen intently to the fears and misconceptions, find some millimeter of common ground, validate what you can, and then get to work on the overly sexualized and threadbare stereotypes that lay underneath. We are now dealing with the people who just refuse to accept even the smallest notion that they are wrong. Itsa almost always more about stubbornness than ignorance or fear.

but i know that if you start from a confrontational stance, you can't move back from it into a 'teaching' role, while if you start with a non-confrontational stance you can move into a more blunt one later.

 

You got that right...this is what they are up against

 

Once again, who is persecuted?

 

the right cant seem to get on the side of freedom

 

Florida threatens married gay couple: Change your names back or lose your drivers licenses http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/...our-names-back-or-lose-your-drivers-licenses/

Florida, you day will come!

 

Notice how "Muslim" and "Socialists " are spelled. Obviously not that bright. Hey! Where are all the homophobes on this forum? Laying low these days it seems.

 

got to say I LOVE this comment from the link;

 

and this comment as well;

"I have heard people call Obama a Muslim before. They claim he wants to spread Islamic law in the US so let's look at that. When you look carefully at many Islamic countries, you see they tend to share these values; they’re anti-abortion. They’re very supportive of the death penalty. They oppose the separation of church and state. They believe religious doctrine should be taught in school. They believe women should have fewer rights than men. They oppose “multiculturalism” They consider homosexuality as evil and believe gay marriage should be outlawed. So, if Obama really wanted to spread Islamic law in America, he would be a Republican."

 

Right to subjugate non-straight people?

Yeah, when either side - gay marriage advocates or opponents - claim they're being oppressed, I can't take it seriously. Yes, gay marriage advocates may feel that the marriage policy is unjust (and I'd agree), but "oppression" is far from the right word. Simply suffering an injustice, perceived or real, doesn't mean that a group is oppressed. When we toss around serious words like that, we make light of real oppression (Scoth/Irish under early British rule, Jews under Nazi Germany, blacks in Jim Crow south, etc.). All I'm saying is keep it in perspective.

But yeah, the idea that gay marriage oppresses heterosexuals is silly. However, forcing someone to participate in some manner in an event that they find morally abhorrent, such as a devout Christian working a gay wedding, is certainly unjust. You don't need to agree with the individual wishing to exclude themselves to get how it's unjust to force them to take part - wouldn't you think that if the KKK was having an event and a black worker was forced to work the event against their wishes, that'd be unjust?

Live and let live isn't a one way street.

 

Yes, I have to agree, oppression is much too strong a word, and I have used it in the past. And I also agree that people should be allowed to deny service, quite frankly to any body and their reason shouldn't matter.

 

Hey people! This is a must watch! Maybe you'll gain some insights

A film about how religion and sex education create a culture of shame that makes people homophobic.

Based on two years of research and investigation, The World According to Homophobes is a feature documentary by filmmaker Emmanuelle Schick Garcia that dives into the minds of homophobes.

Filmed in four countries, the film explores the perceived gender roles, superstitions and sexual experiences of a variety of homophobes (from different religious and cultural backgrounds) to uncover the role shame plays in shaping a homophobe's views on sex.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/wath2015

 

This is why some people think that they are persecuted.....It's really delusional thinking. Mental illness

 

Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/...-him-repent-for-sinful-ways-of-homosexuality/

 

THESE are the real persecutors....

 

Again I ask.....who is persecuted?

 

Responding to a book written by an author documenting his struggles as a gay Christian, a Baptist minister wrote the author a very un-Christian email saying “I pray that you will commit suicide.”

Pastor Logan Robertson of the Westcity Bible Baptist Church in Auckland, New Zealand wrote the email to Jim Marjoram, author of the book ‘It’s Life Jim,’ written to promote a more gay-friendly Christianity, reports The New Zealand Herald

In the email, Robertson wrote, “We are not interested in your filthy lifestyle or book. The Bible says you are vile, strange (queer), reprobate, filth, sodomite, natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed. I pray that you will commit suicide, you filthy child molesting (*)(*)(*).” http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/...ill-commit-suicide-you-filthy-chd-mlsting-fg/

 

Wow that Robertson guy is a piece of (*)(*)(*)(*). I won't take him as the "typical" Christian though, but he is definitely bitter.

 

It's hard not to indict all of Christianity for this. But I think the minister in this case was nicer than they were in other cases.

I was always gay as far back as I could remember and in my younger years I was a Catholic, a rather devout one. I attended mass every Sunday and on all holy days. I was an alter boy. I was in the church band.

I kept hearing how good could love me if I was straight, and how he doesn't if I weren't. I tried to be yet failed, I spoke to the priest about it, he said I should live a life more God oriented, do good things for people, give without expecting anything in return and so forth. I did, of course such a remedy wouldn't work. Things became dark, I couldn't live up to God, I couldn't even get his attention. Suddenly I felt that God didn't love me, that he couldn't. It was my fault, things became darker still. Then a young man I worked twelve hour shifts as often as I could because when I stayed at home I drank. There was a breaking point, why was I carrying all of this guilt? An epiphany broke the storm. It's something that cannot be changed, I tried, some crazy things.

Those priests that tortured me didn't have the decency to tell me I was filth, they instead toyed with my psyche to the point of drinking chronic insomnia and a list of other issues I am still working through and these asshats had the nerve to call that love.

At least this evil piece if (*)(*)(*)(*) has the decency to tell the people that he hates that he hates them.

 

I have to wonder whether certain people on this forum would agree with him, even if they don't have the guts to say so.

 

This is harsh, cruel and just plain as stupid as stupid gets. These people have no understanding of the complexity of the issue and I'm willing to bet that that have no interest in gaining more knowledge of it