How come certain countries are/arent melting pots?

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  1. The Amazing Sam's Ego

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    Its not just america-even other parts of the world are melting pots. Such as the middle east, carribean, and south america. Some middle eastern people look brown, others could pass for white, some even look like black africans. Egypt is like that too. In Puerto Rico, people are mixed with white, black, and Taino (original natives). Some Mexicans look 100% american indian, some look mixed race native and white, others are black-and whites are a minority who make up 10% of population. Most South Americans are mestizos (part white and native)-but there is a noticeable amount of whites and people of other races there.

    How come in Africa, India, and especially countries like Japan and China, people all look alike? Im not saying "all asians or black people look alike", but in a sense, its true, because in East Asia, people all have the same features. In Japan, literally over 99% of the population is ethnic Japanese-there are some minorities and even whites, but they are hardly noticeable. Its not just Japan-pretty much all of east asia (id include india as being eastern-even though its classified as south asia), is homogenous and not a melting pot.

    Why is that?
     
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    China and India have too many people. Not much opportunity for other groups of people to settle into these countries and make a prosperous living.

    The Americas were relatively unpopulated until the last two centuries, so traditionally this was a place immigrants went to. Some countries, such as the U.S.A. and Australia had racial quotas until the last few decades.

    Japan is an island and has a fairly high population density. They also have a consensus culture which is not very open to outsiders. Can be difficult for outsiders to learn the language fluently. Japan brings in Philipino nurses, but they are not given citizenship and they have to go back to their country after a few years, not allowed to stay.

    In Brazil, the Portuguese were limited in number and came to colonize, but not so many came to settle. There were also sugar plantations that needed slaves (from Africa). There was also a fairly high indigenous population, and the jungles were not so suitable to people of European descent because of all those tropical diseases.

    Same thing in Africa. Not many Europeans came to actually settle Africa. There were already many people there, and when white people did try to settle malaria usually killed them off. What is interesting to point out is that the place on the continent were the most Europeans settled was South Africa, which does not have high humidity and tropical disease, it's closer to the temperate zone.

    In Australia, there were very few natives to begin with. They were isolated and rice agriculture, so popular in Southeast Asia, had never taken hold because of the general aridity of the climate (though there are some stretches of forest in the southeastern part of the continent near the coast).

    To answer your question, much of the reason is historical. And a big phenomena was that Europeans generally settled the temperate regions of the globe, away from the equator. So for example, the populations of Argentina and Uruguay have greater European composition than the other countries in South America.
     
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    If Japan isnt open to outsiders, why do they have such a high tourism rate?
     
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    or hadn't you noticed? Lots of people go to Disney world. Does that make DW a life-settlement, or create a presence there by any particular race?
     
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    The Middle East is a fairly large diverse region, with many ethnicities inside it. The region is situated in the middle of three continents so not surprisingly there were many migrations of different peoples over thousands of years. The Turks came from central asia, the Arabs came from Arabia and flooded into all the surrounding middle eastern areas. No one is really sure exactly what the Egyptians looked like before the muslims invaded, but today the ethnic composition of Egypt is mostly Arab. The people in Iran do not consider themselves Arab, they are Persian. Pakistanis are ethnically similar to Indians (brown skin), but have mixed with Arab invaders. In some countries like Morocco, the people are probably distantly related to Iberians (in Europe), while in Libya and Algeria there is a substantial North African population (brown skin).

    Yes, there is a general "middle eastern" look, and they could be classified into a race.
     
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    Some of these places aren't melting pots, at least in the same way the US is because people don't wanna immigrate there. The US has a bit of every single race and ethnicity in the world living here and because it's considered the freest nation or most progressive.
     
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    Of the 9.6 million Africans who were shipped to the "New World" between the 16th and 19th centuries, less than 5 percent, 427,000, were brought to what is now the United States. Nearly 4 million went to Brazil, the largest single devourer of African labor. There, the average life span of a slave was a only a few years (unbelievably terrible), but it does explain why the population of Brazil has so much more African descent.
     
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    The "melting pot" comes out in countries which attract immigration. Have you ever heard about millions of Europeans or Africans migrating to China? Or Japan?

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    Because they accept tourists ...

    Like here: pay attention, since you are a foreigner. If you come to Italy on holiday, if you stay here more than 15 days without a special visa ... you risk to be arrested [it just happened to a couple of Japanese tourists! Coincidence of life ...].
     
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    Why dont people want to immigrate to east asia?
     
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    Let's just admit it. Some cultures are much better than others. Some countries have prettier-looking people than others.
    There's a reason most of us are not just going to get up and permanently move to Eritrea or Pakistan.

    And then there's the fact that so many immigrants come from countries with low wages and less job opportunity.

    Language is an issue, but there are plenty of third world countries which speak French or Spanish, and you don't see a lot of people from France or Spain moving there.

    Basically, I don't want to live in Southeast Asia, and for the same reason I would not want my country turning into another version of Southeast Asia.
    (and for those of you who think Japan is a cool country, just remember most of these immigrants are not Japanese :wink:)
     
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    To old Imperialism. A lot of white females didn't go over to Latin and South America. So instead of making children with white women, they instead turned to the native population. As for why in New Imperalism you don't see a lot of "mixed breeding" is because of technology. You could bring over your wife and have her live in relative comfort.

    As for why you don't see a lot of different Chinese people, it's because you're looking at it the wrong way. There are plenty of different ethnicites in China. Japan, because they were never imperalized and their government took care to make sure that Japan ultimately got protection from foreign markets.
     
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    There are actually two types of the Japanese and the Jomon or Ainu descended from Ancient North Eurasians from Siberia who migrated to Japan from 20,000 to 10,000 years ago and Japanese people in the northern parts of the country mostly belong to this ancient type, averaging around 40% as a country as whole. About 2,300 years ago, Korean mass migrations to the Japanese archipelago started and the western half of the country was mostly occupied by the Yayoi migrants by the 3rd century AD and 60% of modern Japanese people descended from this migrant group. I assume that the Japanese figure skater Rika Hongo belongs to the first type from Siberia with more Caucasian or Russian physical features.

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    I said SOME of these places, not all. Though I venture no one would want to move to North Korea right now.
     
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    IMO the moorocons are more afrikan than Libyans and Algerians. Admittedly I'm basing this mainly off national football teams. Moorocons have a higher proportion of so called blacks. Algeria was a European colony for many years and many Algerians are mixed with Spanish and Portuguese. Libya is mainly Arabs and small amount of European, not many afrikans. That's just a rough explanation and not a thorough ly researched opinion
     
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    Very good post.....I might also add that in order for immigration to work, people actually need to WANT to go there.
     
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    Why are the Ainu so rare in Japan today, but they were very common a long time ago?
     
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    Prior to the Yayoi era, Japan was only inhabited by the Ainu from Siberia. The Ainu people have been marginalised by the Yayoi settlers from the Korean Peninsula since the 3rd century BC and most of them were culturally assimilated. But a genetic study showed that up to 40% of the mainland Japanese still harbour Ainu heritage and the proportions of their Ainu ancestry reach over 60% in Okinawa and the northernmost parts of Japan. There is a myth that the Ainu were exterminated in Japan as Aboriginal Australians were massacred by the hands of convict settlers but the Japanese are ethnically 40% Ainu and the Japanese language is based on numerous terms derived from the Ainu languages.
     
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    1-Why do the Ainu look like white people, if the Ainu were Siberians and Siberians tend to look oriental? The Ainu didnt come from Europe, but I've watched many videos of them, they look European with slightly asian features-but they still look European.

    2-If the Japanese didnt commit genocide against the Ainu, why are there so few of them today? Ainu are a mere fraction of 1% the Japanese population-25,000.
     
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    [video=youtube;mw1nvkz83yw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw1nvkz83yw[/video]

    1. Native Siberians are part West Eurasian and part East Eurasian, representing an ancient admixture between European and East Asian lineages, and the Ainu are genetically related to Uralic speaking populations in Siberia such as the Khanty and Mansi.

    2. The Ainu were also called Emishi in Japanese and the head of the Abe clan was allowed to rule the six Emishi districts in the early 11th century and the central government imposed indirect rule on the Ainu regions, rather than committing a genocide against the Ainu people. The current Japanese prime minister descended from Abe no Yoritoki, who was a major Ainu chieftain in the Tohoku region at the time, and his daughters intermarried with non-Ainu Japanese aristocrats.
     
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    Did any people in the Yayoi era come from China? I read somewhere that in one of the waves of immigration (the people who immigrated to form the ethnic Japanese) a lot of them were from China and even Polynesia. Is this true or false?
     
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    The Koreans are closely related to the Chinese with the shared haplogroup O, which is a genetic marker for the Yayoi migrants, and the Koreans originated from a northern part of China before emerging as a distinct racial group. But I reject the the theory that the Yayoi migrants directly migrated from mainland China to Japan and Yayoi culture is more closely related to the Korean Peninsula than any other parts of China. The Japanese people's Polynesian roots are also questionable and it was actually the other way around. Ancient North Eurasians with Haplogroup N migrated to the Japanese archipelago first around 20,000 years ago and they subsequently colonised Polynesian islands such as Guam and Hawaii, where Haplogroup N can be found at minor frequencies, and there are cultural and genetic links between the Ainu and the Maori in New Zealand, who are more civilised than Aboriginal Australians.
     
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    What about Okinawans? They have a different culture from the majority of ethnic Japanese (less similar to Korean), and are geographically more closer to Taiwan and China, than Korea. I'd say its highly likely those Japanese from the Ryukkun islands have ancestry from China.
     
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    Neither Middle Eastern nor Arab are considered a "race".........
     
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    yes they are. middle easterners are the semetic race.
     
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    They are mostly related to Japanese, but they might have a little bit of "Chinese" or ancestral 'taiwanese' (see note below) from ancient times. But to some extent, the Okinawans are their own unique ethnicity.
    Okinawans tend to have a little more tan skin than other Japanese, but this is also true of Japanese in Kyushu, the southern part of the main Japanese islands. This does not necessarily imply they have a different ethnic composition, could just be natural selection over a few thousand years.

    note: the population of modern Taiwan has mostly Chinese ancestry
     

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