How do we prevent these mass shootings?

So, this may have been the act of three possible scenarios:

1. mentally ill person simply cracked and went nuts.

2. Islamic extremist/white supremacist inspired.

3. Bullying victim simply had enough.

Now, if this was an act of terrorism/hate crime by a ISIS or Nazi-inspired person, kinda hard to stop a lone-wolf unless they post a lot on Facebook/Twitter and can be reported by a good citizen.

But if this was a mentally ill individual, we obviously need to do more to reduce the stigma regarding treatment for mental illness, we need to expand access to good treatment for mental illness, and we need to get better mental illness records put into the NICS system to prevent such folks from buying a gun unless they have been deemed safe to possess a gun by a PhD-level psychologist.

But if a mentally-ill person stole the guns from his parents or friend, that's a lot harder to deal with.

How do you keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill folks who have parents or friends with guns?

 

Americans need to pass gun laws like European countries where such mass shootings are a rarity.

 

The problem is that in many cases of mental illness the most likely shooters are often the last people on earth who would seek treatment for their issues because they think it is the rest of us that have the issue not themselves. In the end you can no more prevent senseless violence of this sort than you can prevent a volcano from erupting. Not and live in a country you could remotely call free.

 

unfortunately, we already have 300 million guns in this country.

but we need more mental health laws and help for the sick.

 

What you fail to appreciate is that your society is demented by its love of guns.

 

Sorry we prefer freedom to statist misrule.

 

of course, many gun extremists will echo the constant chorus of "we need more guns, we need more armed people, we need armed students, we need armed teachers".

really????

is that the solution???

a society armed to the teeth with guns?

teachers, students, cashiers at Walmart, doctors, lawyers, everyone should possess a gun?

that's the way to make our society safer?????????

God, there has to be another way.


we want to PREVENT these things from happening in the first place, not just blow the shooter away once he starts empting rounds into the classroom, mall, church, mosque, museum.

we have to find a way to PREVENT the events from ever starting!!!

 

I think we'll have to understand why he did it. If he's not mentally ill or on antidepressants, then this one is an outlier with a different root cause. I've read it's religious or anti-religious, but I won't bank on info gathered on day 1. If it has a religious (or anti) basis, I don't know how you prevent future events. It if's mental health, then we need our experts on psychology, chemistry, pharmaceuticals and others to bang heads and figure out why so many shooters are on prozac, ridilin, zoloft and others. http://www.cchrint.org/school-shooters/

Beyond that, I am at a loss but this has to stop. We can stack gun laws to the moon but until we fix the root cause, the rest is just fluff. We dont' need more guns or fewer guns. We need a way to sniff out those who are prone to crimes like this somehow before they get to the point of acting on their inner voices or ideologies.

 

America is now known for mass-shootings.

No other modern society deals with this like we do.

Its not about poverty, crime, or inequality.

We appear to be a sick, lonely, angry, violent society.

 

Unfortunately here's the reality of recent mass shootings. They were all in a gun free areas.

Unfortunately here's the reality of helping the mentally ill.
1. There are hundreds that roam the streets homeless because they don't want to take the pills.
2.Hundreds more that are sick and don't think they are so unless someone close to them gets them help they are lost.
3. Hundreds more that see a doctor and are prescribed medicine, but some how are not reported when it is the law.

So which is easier? Keeping a shooting to a few as a private citizen in a non-gun free area stops them. Or trying to help the people that don't want/won't get help and putting medical professionals in jail for not reporting like they are supposed to.

 

We don't usually agree, but I concur on this one. We have an issue that nobody is willing to tackle head-on and congress can't just pass laws to fix it. We need our best and brightest from all over the medical community, drug industry, etc., but they can only work on the mentally ill or those being treated with medications. For those with ideologies to fight for, we're sitting ducks among honest citizens. How do we figure out when someone is going to go after people in large numbers when their only reason is religious conviction or hate?

 

First sentence I believe to an extent that you're wrong. Second sentence I agree, but why and how to we correct it.

 

one thing we can do, is greatly expand access to mental health professionals.

we can have nation-wide advertising talking about help for mental illness, how its nothing to be ashamed of, and it takes courage to get help.

no one could oppose such steps.

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none of these mass-shootings have been due to poverty, crime, or inequality.

 

I think most would agree. We also have to address the medical community's willingness to so heavily prescribe drugs that seem to link so many shooters. If these shootings become ideological ways of taking out large numbers of people, I have no idea.

 

This is the one I'm having issues with. Cain killed Abel in an essence from inequality. I would bet there is some in most of the shooters.

 

How any mass killing do the Swiss have. Everyone there has a gun.

 

That is the incessant like of anti-gun radicals. In terms of population, the USA is not #1, #2, #3, #4 or #5. The countries with the HIGHEST percentages of mass shooting deaths have EXTREMELY restrictive gun laws. Europe is not the utopia you like to think it is and declaring people are safer if they are unable to defend themselves if absurd.

 

Obama was on TV today lying to run down the USA in terms of gun violence in his incessant hatred of the USA and to placate and repeat the lies the anti-gun lobby incessantly spouts out.

GERMANY: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_shooting

NORWAY - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ne-by-one.html

IRELAND - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greysteel_massacre

SWEDEN - http://www.inquisitr.com/1937846/swe...othenburg-bar/

DENMARK - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Copenhagen_shootings

HOLLAND - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphen..._mall_shooting

FINLAND: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokela_school_shooting

POLAND - https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...hooting+poland

AUSTRIA - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Annaberg_shooting

SWITZERLAND - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanshorn_shooting

The top 5 countries for mass shootings per capita all have “restrictive” gun policies. It isn't the USA - but that is what Obama, Democrat politicians and liberals tell over and over.

NOR IS THE USA TOP OF THE LIST:
Yet you, Obama, Democrats, anti-gun liberals will just keep declaring the same lies incessantly because truth and people's safety is absolutely irrelevant to them. And to you.
www.rampageshooting.com...

1. Norway - 15.3 per capita
2. Finland - 3.50
3. Slovakia - 1.47
4. Israel - 1.38
5. Belgium - 0.63
6. US - 0.59
7. Netherlands - 0.42
8. Germany - 0.31
9. UK - 0.19
10. Canada - 0.17
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread914224/pg1

RATHER, THIS IS THE RELEVANT FACT: EVERY PERSON MURDERED IN A MASS SHOOTING - IN THE USA OR ANYWHERE - WAS UNARMED AND DEFENSELESS. NO GUN-HATERS WILL EVER RESPOND TO THE FACT.

The basis for mass shooting is the shooters confident there is no one armed to oppose them. The way to reduce mass shooting is for potential shooters to believe it likely there will be people present who are armed and can kill him quickly. For mass shooting to succeed there must be a mass of defenseless people to kill. This shooter would not have had 5 minutes to kill people if people were shooting at him.

 

Read Hoffmaier's work "The war on Boys." They are getting prescribed because schools that are increasingly a hostile work environment for young boys regardless of race creed or color are insisting on it.

 

What is your "society?" One of those cowardly sheeple populations in which no one is prepared to defend others or themselves?

 

Yes, there's so much America can learn from Europe.

 

and have higher violent crime rates like those European countries? NO THANK YOU

 

Liberals will claim the solution is the government spending more money and making more regulations. It does not matter what the topic is. They conclude 1.) private citizens are the problem and 2.) more power and money to government is the solution.

There will always be people who decide they want to kill a lot of people. Taking away firearms, trying to guess who this is by the government watching everyone and drugging people more. At the top of the list is making it unlikely mass shooters think their target group is defenseless and that in fact it isn't.

In nearly all instances, when ANYONE starts firing at the shooter, the mass killing stops and the shooter will either 1.) surrender, 2.) shoot himself or 3.) take shelter and shoot it out with the police.

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Yes, Europe is going to show us now how loving and liberal and open they are to all the wonderful benefits of millions and millions of impoverished and uneducated immigrants now flooding into their countries.

 

name the European nations that have higher murder rates than the USA, and have as many mass-shootings as the USA

 

Shhhhhh! Don't tell them that!! It just upsets them....................