Is Turkey Heading Towards Civil War?

Is Turkey heading towards civil war with the Kurds?

What are your thoughts?

 

Civil war based on WHAT?

 

Did you mean with the Kurds?

 

Yes. The Kurds

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Kurdish opression.

 

That war has been going on for ~50 years now.

 

Could have fooled me.Haven't seen anything big except for some riots, It seems they may get traction. That is I haven't seen any full out open rebelion like In Ukraine or Lybia

 

It could be heading in that direction with the Kurds.

And it's more than just civil unrest - yes civil war is possible .

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/11/30/439754/William-Jones-Turkey-media-crackdown

Turkish clampdown on free press to trigger internal strife: Analyst

 

Of course not. The Kurds expect to have a country if they win so aren't keen to burn down their own house. The Turks want the land for themselves and so are equally careful. There was also an attempt at peace that led to a cease fire that was only recently broken. Not every civil war is total war.

 

It doesn't get traction because Turkey cordons off the Kurdish areas so reporters and human rights activities aren't able to see what is going on. The situation is very much like in Ukraine, where the freedom fighters were killing soldiers, and Kiev was retaliating on the civilians.

The intent is to ethnically cleanse an area in order to hold on to their land..which to some has more value than human lives. There is of course a civilized alternative, and that is to federate and give the people more rights. But decency and humanity is beyond some. They can only see it as a sign of weakness.

 

Turkey isn't going to give up land for a Kurdish state..

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The Kurds were nomads and when they finally settled .. they settled all over the place from Russia to Lebanon.

 

What if Kurds suddenly started getting support?

If Turkey is funding ISIS, why can't russia funder Kurds

 

Turkey isn't funding ISIS and Russia doesn't give a fig about the Kurds.

 

Kurdish oppression over Turks or Turkish oppression over Kurds or Kurdish oppression over Kurdish civilians who refuse to support terrorist organization called PKK? Decide !

 

Including Turkey, BEFORE it became Turkey

Massacres, such as the Dersim massacre and the Zilan massacre, have periodically occurred against the Kurds since the establishment of the Republic of Turkey in 1923. In an attempt to deny their existence, the Turkish government categorized Kurds as "Mountain Turks" until 1991, and the words "Kurds", "Kurdistan", or "Kurdish" were officially banned by the Turkish government. Following the military coup of 1980, the Kurdish language was officially prohibited in public and private life. Many people who spoke, published, or sang in Kurdish were arrested and imprisoned. Since lifting of the ban in 1991, the Kurdish population of Turkey has long sought to have Kurdish included as a language of instruction in public schools as well as a subject

 

Everyone, particularly who thinks the humanitarian NGOs can't get to see what's going on in there, needs to know that everything happens in Eastern Turkey is just a few mouse clicks away. I know the first video will make Greek and Armenian trolls real upset because it totally destroys the political grounds they desperately seek to use against Turks. Yes PKK is nothing less than a murderous terrorist organization:

Turks been dealing with these Kurdish PKK terrorists who you can see in the video working real hard to make bombs to target civilians and law enforcement like a bunch of cowards. Thanks god the law enforcement hear the bomb beeps and run as the terrorists from mountain top watching them saying; "damn it, they ran away":

[video=youtube;FqB_-7UalgY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqB_-7UalgY[/video]

They then come down to towns like Diyarbakir, eastern Turkey, from mountains to dig ditches to plant those bombs in. The Police special forces (not military SF) escorts the bobcat construction vehicles to cover the ditches day and night. Terrorists approach this time to grenade the bobcats. From today's fresh results: Counter-Terrorist Win !

[video=youtube;q_6zrWlWMx0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_6zrWlWMx0[/video]

Earlier incidents in the city of Van, eastern Turkey, PKK terrorists try to seek opportunity to attack with AK-47s. Result: Counter-Terrorists Win!

[video=youtube;LzOzunv_zxQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzOzunv_zxQ[/video]

He who wants to bury Turks, gets buried.

 

What?







New Evidence Reveals Turkish Government Is Directly Funding ISIS
By The Guardian | July 31, 2015



When US special forces raided the compound of an Islamic State leader in eastern Syria in May, they made sure not to tell the neighbours.

The target of that raid, the first of its kind since US jets returned to the skies over Iraq last August, was an Isis official responsible for oil smuggling, named Abu Sayyaf. He was almost unheard of outside the upper echelons of the terror group, but he was well known to Turkey. From mid-2013, the Tunisian fighter had been responsible for smuggling oil from Syria’s eastern fields, which the group had by then commandeered. Black market oil quickly became the main driver of Isis revenues – and Turkish buyers were its main clients.


As a result, the oil trade between the jihadis and the Turks was held up as evidence of an alliance between the two. It led to protests from Washington and Europe – both already wary of Turkey’s 900-mile border with Syria being used as a gateway by would-be jihadis from around the world.

The estimated $1m-$4m per day in oil revenues that was thought to have flowed into Isis coffers over at least six months from late 2013 helped to transform an ambitious force with limited means into a juggernaut that has been steadily drawing western forces back to the region and increasingly testing state borders.

Across the region, violence has been spreading across borders, scattering huge numbers of refugees and contributing to the turmoil in neighbouring regimes. Few countries – from Turkey to Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq and Israel – remain unscathed by the tide of chaos spreading out from Syria.

Despite one year of air strikes aimed at crippling the group’s spread, Isis remains entrenched in northern and eastern Syria, in control of much of western Iraq and camped on Lebanon’s eastern border. Its offshoots are gathering steam in north Africa and now, more than at any time since the latest incarnation of Isis emerged, its leaders claim to be positioning the group for strikes well outside the territory that it now controls.

In the wake of the raid that killed Abu Sayyaf, suspicions of an undeclared alliance have hardened. One senior western official familiar with the intelligence gathered at the slain leader’s compound said that direct dealings between Turkish officials and ranking Isis members was now “undeniable”.

“There are hundreds of flash drives and documents that were seized there,” the official told the Observer. “They are being analysed at the moment, but the links are already so clear that they could end up having profound policy implications for the relationship between us and Ankara.”

 

Must be because Turkey tried to wipe them from hystory as well as opressions them right now.

I don't condone terrorist, but desperation can lead to people committing unspeakable acts

 

Say they are terrorists because Turks tried to wipe'em out, then say you don't condone terrorists... OK...

Terrorism has no reason, no religion, no flag, no nation, no race, no soul, no state... From Sandy Hook (which was a total false flag) to Boston (another false flag), Twin towers (false flag) to London, Madrid to Istanbul, terrorism is to turn lives into hell... When you start seeing things from the main stream view, this is how you suppose to get facts straight with terrorism. So, PKK, Boko Haram, ASALA, EOKA, IRA, ETA, all are after the same thing, terrorizing people. There's no need to discuss factors driven Kurds to form terrorist organization because you cannot justify terrorism with whatever the motives behind it... If you can't justify the ISIS's terrorism, you cannot justify any other group's terrorist actions. Simple as that !

 

Understanding how terrorism came to be and condoning terrorism are two diffrent things

Terrorism has plenty reason. If a group took over the land and started opressions you, you will built decent towards them

If that group then deprived you of your nation hood, land and killed your family, that decent turns into pure hatred.

When your mind is filled with hatred nothing else matters. Just retribution for your enemies.

Take Gaza for example. Experts say it will become uninhabitable in the next 5 years.

 

It's the Turks that the Kremlin cares about.

The Soviet Union used to support the PKK and reviving that support would be one way Putin could get back at Erdogan for the downing of that SU-24.

 

I have posted these few times till now under different threads because I couldn't find here in this forum a separate topic started by "terrorism sensitive" users who seem finds it so easy to put the world's blame on Turks, so I re-post them as we speak of "support for terrorism". Here, enjoy:

British special forces caught dressed as Arab 'terrorists'

Further Reading:

http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1556


Let's here it from the US of A:

Further Reading:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-created-al-qaeda-and-the-isis-terror-group/5402881

Americans support ISIS:

Further Reading:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-th...op-vs-billions-in-covert-military-aid/5409449

ISIS: America's mercenaries:

[video=youtube;NTz8Ed-djhg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTz8Ed-djhg[/video]

 

Oh, boy. This is what you get when you read and recite the bilge posted on websites such as Global Research:

Here's what al Qaeda and its name really comes from:

Robin Cook is an ignorant fool and Global Research repeated his erroneous claims as if they were fact.

 

So UK,US, and Turkey are in cahoots togeather working with Terrorist.

It's already a fact that Turkey supports ISIS

 

Its ridiculous to claim Turkey is supporting ISIS.. They are currently stuck with 2 million Syrian refugees.

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Global Research, InfoWars, Prison Planet...

 

But overwhelming evidence says otherwise

This is fact. ex ISIS members have came forward and said the same thing. Russia bombed few of the convoys to and from turkey. And they made it well known the extent of this supply line. Evidence seized at the captured compound proves that Turkey is supporting ISIS


Yet you say Tukey is not supporting ISIS. I have OVERWHELMING evidence, do you?


If so I'm all ears...or eyes in this case