Chicago proves the NRA wrong

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ago-through-first-three-months-2016/82507210/

    Illinois and Chicago has banned the ownership of handguns and concealed carry, for decades.

    Until 2 years ago. Now, Illinois has been processing concealed-carry permits.


    We always hear that when gun laws are loosened, and when the The People get more access to guns, crime goes down.


    well, Chicago's murder rate has soared 72% in 2016.

    no doubt it will go up even more next year.


    So much for the NRA's fantasies.
     
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  2. DoctorWho

    DoctorWho Well-Known Member

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    No, so much for your fantasies Ron !

    You fail to take into account, that not everybody is Armed ! most people are unarmed, look at the knock Em out attacks, on Jews in Borough Park Brooklyn, by young teens !

    There are built up areas and slums with people stacked up 40 stories high !!! No Ron, you live in a fantasy world that reflects not reality !
     
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    Toefoot Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good lord, people will swallow anything in print.
     
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    OrlandoChuck Well-Known Member

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    The increase in Chicago homicide stats are criminals killing criminals. Criminals can't legally own a gun or a carry license.

    The number one killer of Black men in Chicago is other black men in ghetto areas. This is no secret.

    Something tells me you already know this Ron.
     
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  5. Bowerbird

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    1. Where there are more guns there is more homicide (literature review)

    Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the United States and across high-income countries. Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the U.S., where there are more guns, both men and women are at a higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide.

    Hepburn, Lisa; Hemenway, David. Firearm availability and homicide: A review of the literature. Aggression and Violent Behavior: A Review Journal. 2004; 9:417-40.



    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/
     
  6. DoctorWho

    DoctorWho Well-Known Member

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    Ron is divorced from reality, why should a Law Abiding person that lives in NYC, be restricted from carrying a concealed handgun in Los Angeles ?

    Does a person get mentally altered by visiting in another State ? restrictions on the Right to keep and bear Arms makes no sense ! The Right to bear Arms should not be limited by State borders or ones State of residence, nor should one's right to purchase a handgun, nor the Right to carry a concealed handgun, you should have that Right regardless of your State of residence !!!
     
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    Nah! the prevalence of guns is not the problem - despite the decades of research saying it is - it is the BLACK people
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Meh, David Hemenway the anti-gun crusader will always find what he wants. A review of the literature? Is this like the debunked 97% climate change review of the literature?

    Lies
    Damned lies
    and Statistics
     
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    You finally got it.
     
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    75% of the murdered are black and 71% of the murderers are black. Chicago has a massive black on black murder problem.
     
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    I was discussing with Ron, his claim regarding the allowance of carry licenses and Chicago crime. What does this post have to do with our debate?
     
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    The tired narrative about gun owners being racist.
     
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    I live in Western Massachusetts and my state is WHERE the entire Right to Bear Arms...ORIGINATED!!!

    Massachusetts has one of the most heavily armed populations on Earth and in my area EVERYONE OWNS GUNS!! Handguns. Rifles, Shotguns, Primitives....YOU NAME IT!!

    And the point is most people in Massachusetts OWN GUNS LEGALLY!!

    And because of this THERE IS ALMOST NO CRIME IN MY AREA!!

    The cities where the population does not own a lot of firearms legally HAS A MUCH HIGHER CRIME RATE!!

    Now the Police Chiefs in my area WANT US TO CARRY CONCEALED!!!

    They make a point of telling us..."PLEASE....if your going to carry...carry concealed OK?"

    The reason for this is they don't want people carrying handguns out in the open as this sometimes frightens people.

    And the thing is.....LEGAL GUN OWNERS WHO CARRY CONCEALED HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH INCREASES IN VIOLENT CRIMES WHERE A GUN IS USED!!

    AA
     
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    Bowerbird doesn't let facts get in the way of her fantasies. Why do you suppose that an Aussie would be so invested in US issues? You have to wonder about the social skills.
     
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    Well, British Police insist you do not need a small concealable handgun, yet today, on my long walk, I needed to put down a rabid dog ! so tell me how I do not need a small concealable handgun, because the NYC Police department is convinced that only a Police Officer should be allowed a concealed or openly carried handgun !

    And by the way, I am exempt, I can carry in any State or U.S. territory.
     
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    Who made thst claim in this thread?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so when will crime in Chicago go down since their gun laws are now looser?
     
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    She just hit the nail on the head...eh? LOL
     
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    When more law abiding citizens legally acquire and begin carrying weapons. The more guns equal more crimes is very apropos when applied to the criminal element who are already committing additional crimes in spite of all the laws against doing what they do. Ronnie you jumped the gun on this thread, if I were you I would request to have it closed and save some face.
     
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    well as usual your argument is weak

    we don't have to prove that people carrying legal firearms makes us safer. We should be able to do that unless and only unless, the BM can prove that doing so results in lots of problems caused by licensed gun carriers. You cannot. Its still a case of scumbag thugs-mainly inner city blacks who support the Obama administration and that of Rahm Emanuel-causing problems

    its not white folk who have CCW permits
     
  21. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That already started.

    How many Chicago folks have to concealed-carry for it to make a difference?

    1%?

    10%?

    50%?

    when?
     
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    people on the left laugh when someone suggests that there is an international movement to disarm free americans.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And to pollute are precious bodily fluids!!!!
     
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    Failsafe right?

    AA
     
  25. Ronstar

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    ok, its a little early, but how long do we have to wait before we can declare the NRA-idea to be a fail?

    what percent of Chicago has to registered as CCW before we can say the claim is debunked?

    1%?

    10%?

    45%?


    guys, this is your claim.

    we now get to see if its real or not.
     

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