Unarmed Kid Murdered (part 9)

I have read enough to be confident in the following opinion:

Zimmerman will not be convicted of murder. I believe the evidence leads to Martin ambushing Zimmerman merely for following him, because he didn't like being questioned.

Stupidly, Martin forgot that fist does not beat bullet, and he also forgot that just because he cannot see a deadly weapon, does not mean a deadly weapon isn't present.

And he paid with his life: a life, it appears, which was headed the wrong direction regardless.

Would you like to bet me on whether I am correct, Stryker?

 

Regarding eyewitnesses, there are none for the actual shooting but there are witnesses just before and after. Based on what they saw it seems Trayvon stood up and away from Zimmerman when the resident said he was going to call 911. (the witness who said he saw martin on top of Zimmerman) This is probably when the 13 year old saw only one person on the ground. Trayvon had moved back and out of line of sight from the 13 year old's view.

An eyewitness saw Zimmerman straddling Trayvon seconds after the shooting and this helps prove Zimmerman was standing up when he shot Trayvon. There is no way he shot Trayvon while Trayvon was on top of him because there was not enough time for Zimmerman to push Trayvon off, stand up, then stand over him and push Trayvon as close to the ground as possible.

Trayvon probably felt safe knowing the cops were on the way so he let Zimmerman get up. What Trayvon did not expect is Zimmerman shooting him in the chest. The 13 year old saw Zimmerman just seconds before Trayvon being shot and he was alone and that helps prove Zimmerman did not shoot in self defense. He probably had his gun pointed at Trayvon when Trayvon was screaming for help and pulled the trigger because he could. He knew he murdered him and this is why he calmly told the witness to call the police. He knew the police were already on their way from his call so his request of calling them again was an implicit admission of guilt. Like one of his neighbors said, he was fed up with everything and wanted to make sure Trayvon could not get away. Permanently.

 

Well explain a few things here for me Sub since you believe he was ambushed.

Now I am not the smartest guy, but if he returned to his SUV that means he had to get out and follow him since he was unable to find him.

So Zimmerman exchanged words with his back turned, hmmmm, makes sense too me. Not.

Now if he was slamming his head to concrete and broke his nose, why wasn't Z taken to the hospital for treatment.

Not many people go home with a broken nose and lacarations to their head.

Next question when Trayvon was shot was Z laying on the ground and shot up.

Now does the street run behind Austin's house or did Z drive up in the grass.

If Z was parked on the street and was attacked from behind getting his head slammed into the pavement how did Trayvon end up shot dead behind Austin's house?

See something here makes no sense.

Now is Zimmerman's nose on the back of his head, if he was hit from behind how did he get punched in the nose?

Now I have taken some butt whoopins and I have give some butt whoopins. I have witnessed some butt whoopins, etc. I have never seen a 200lb+ grown man go down from one punch and not even recover, let alone being basically layed out by a 150lb teenager.

Now this kid was 6'2", 150lb. My 15 yr old son is 5'9", 165lbs and I know good and (*)(*)(*)(*) well he could not drop me 6', 237lbs with one punch.

Where are the pictures of Mr. Zimmerman after he rec'd this so-called ass whoopin. I know the police had to take pictures to be put in as evidence.

Also when is the autospy of Trayvon going to come out so we can see what kind of injuries he rec'd other than a gunshot wound to the chest.

 

Link or it didn't happen the way you said it did.

 

Interview with "John".

 

And stupidly Zimmerman thought this would blow over. Now he's stuck in hiding and can't go anywhere without worrying about getting a bullet in his own head.

Ya, he really won this one.

 

I believe that is exactly what happened. I believe that Zimmerman attempted to find out who Martin was and what he was doing in the subdivision - which he has every right to do - and Martin was not cooperative.

That is what I believe.

Because of that uncooperative response, Zimmerman - whose suspicion was not assuaged in the slightest - wanted to ensure he knew where Martin went, and possibly even identify a residence where he would enter. Instead, it appears as though he wasn't following too closely, or he wouldn't have lost him.

We do not know whether or not he lost him merely because he wasn't looking to sweat Martin all that closely, or if Martin was trying to actually get away from Zimmerman. Either scenario is plausible.

And that's why Zimmerman turned around to get back to his SUV.

You have no basis for assuming that he "exchanged words" with Martin with his back turned. Nothing in any account would preclude Martin coming from behind Zimmerman; calling to Zimmerman, and having Zimmerman turn around to face Martin.

In fact, that is what I believe happened.

Because Zimmerman refused treatment.

This is a weak rationalization on your part. I think I would, actually. I don't like hospitals; there's not much that could be done for either injury that couldn't be done at home. Regardless, I'm sure the experience was traumatizing.

Don't know. Where was Martin when he was going for Zimmerman's gun?

I do not see any reason to believe that Zimmerman drove up on any lawn; it isn't a necessary component of this story.

You are mixing in all sorts of likely false presumptions. You actually also thought that Zimmerman was 250lbs as well - another false presumption. His good friend explained - and this is corroborated by pictures - that Zimmerman weighs far less than that: he's lost weight (see pic I posted).

There is no reason that Zimmerman couldn't have turned around when he realized that Martin was coming up from behind him.

The way you're framing it, it wouldn't.

This is getting stupid.

Then you have not seen, nor been in, many fights.

I cannot comment. I know this: my wife could drop you with a kick to your groin, and she's 5'6" 120lbs - so it's clear that hard contact in certain key areas has quite the effect.

Particularly when it is a surprise - which I think this was.

Perhaps - and perhaps they'll be released. This too isn't important. You can choose to rationalize not believing the witnesses, friends and police reports. You can ignore that the character of Martin was presented as something which it clearly isn't initially...

...or you can be insightful, and realize that as new information is revealed, the halo surrounding Martin is tarnishing.

Along with the reputations of those who are still attempting to defend Martin using factually incorrect contrivances and other ridiculous stances.

I am willing to bet that he has nearly no other injuries, and I also think it is very possible he'll have at MINIMUM trace evidence of drugs in his system - probably marijuana.

If I'm right, will you cede that my judgement, critical thinking skills and insight ability are superior to every leftist in this forum?

 

What did I "make up?" Every reason I gave for demonstrating his racist behavior is based on fact so show what I "made up."

Once again you completely ignored the fact you couldn't support your claim crime was the reason Zimmerman called the cops on black people.

No worries, I knew you would never back it up.

 

You have no evidence that Zimmerman believes any such thing. According to his friend, he's shattered over this.

And if he does, people like you have who have propagated hatred over a guy who is very likely innocent would be the cause.

'Won'? WTF are you talking about? Nowhere has Zimmerman or anyone else spoken about this incident in terms remotely resembling 'winning'.

Your post is asinine. Grow the fock up.

 

Racists do not have black friends. Your moral code is disgusting.

Ugh. He called the cops because someone was acting suspiciously, and apparently didn't defuse the suspicion by being forthright.

You have no way of backing up your claim that Zimmerman is racist, particularly when evidence of his life and deeds indicate absolutely otherwise.

Your mindset and attitude needs to be defeated.

 

There is not a SHRED of evidence Martin ambushed Zimmerman and there are at least five pieces of evidence proving Zimmerman chased and confronted Martin after he hung up with dispatch. The ONLY thing pointing to Martin ambushing him is Zimmerman's claim. Nothing else.

He may not be convicted of murder but he is definitely not going to be completely exonerated.

 

So how much money do you think his mom will cash in from those trademarks?

 

Some racists do have black friends because they view them as the exception and not the rule. He mentored a black kid but that means nothing considering you don't get to choose the color of a kid's skin when volunteering to mentor. He may have done it because he didn't think other blacks could "properly " teach the kid.

The evidence of his racist behavior is extensive:

Falsely accused a 16 year old black resident of stealing a bike and even taking the cops to the kid's house only to find out the bike was NEVER stolen.

Told neighbors to look out for black males.

Had a history of calling the cops on black people for being "suspicious" while not calling the cops on whites or Hispanics.

In his call he highlighted Martin's race after he already stated Martin was black. The context was quite clear as he tried to use Martin's skin color to justify amplifying fear.

He called Martin an "ass (hole)" when the ONLY known fact is he was black.


You can ignore the evidence but that doesn't make it disappear.

 

Slime. Pure slime. Her son was murdered and all some can do is demonize. Had it ever occurred to you trademarking protest phrases is done to prevent abusing their calls for justice?

Naw, you immediately rush to the worst possible judgment.

 

And the credibilitly of Zimmerman's claim is raised considerably when what he says is perfectly corroborated by witnesses.

From what I have read, there is not one witness whose testimony has contradicted a single thing that Zimmerman said. If it had, I do not believe Zimmerman would have been released that same night without being charged.

If he is not convicted of murder, your 9 threads are for naught. The wind appears nearly completely out of your sails.

 

I'm going to reiterate: you moral code disgusts me. You have literally placed your power to rationalize racist intent ahead of the evidence in this case. Zimmerman mentored multiple kids, and then 'explained' that the reason is that he had no choice, and did it because other blacks couldn't do it.

Disgusting. You make me sick.

And you can distort 'evidence', but that doesn't mean it supports your claim.

Disgusting.

 

Well now I know for a fact you have not studied this issue. I stopped reading your post when you said you didnt know why Zimmerman lost sight of him. Zimmerman STATES why be lost sight of him on the recorded call.

the other false claim was at the beginning. Zimmerman had NO RIGHT to ask Trayvon a darn thing. NONE. He is a civilian and it is ILLEGAL for any citizen to interrogate any other citizen while on public property. This is one possible Federal charge against Zimmerman.

 

The product and/or service is the death of her SON!!!!

 

You don't have the balls to address the facts so you think pontificating from a self righteous soap box will conceal your inability to be honest. I'm very honored to make you sick. I only get concerned when people like you give me compliments.

Are you going to address the facts or keep whining?

 

I have freely stated that I have not read every post, and I also stated that I may have missed something.

Why did Zimmerman lose him?

That is patently incorrect. You have no basis for this assertion. A neighborhood has the right to allow patrols, and questions - just as a cop has the right to roll up to you walking on a sidewalk and ask what you're up to.

ROFLMAO. No - it is not.

ROFLMAO. No - it is not.

 

I am not whining. I am criticizing your moral code.

And what am I supposed to address that I have not? You're the one drawing inferences about racism, which is a scurrilous charge that your disgusting ilk are only more than happy to lob about.

You will be defeated.

 

Once again, have you read her reasons for doing it?

 

I don't care what the reasons are. Trademarks are for protecting income. I would be OK if that was some kind of art or literature piece, but the death of your own son.......... Disgusting!!!!

 

Fair enough, now please tell me by what authority did Zimmerman have the right to question or detain Trayvon. Why would Trayvon have to be cooperative with a total stranger whom he does not know.

Well that is just it, Trayvon didn't have to cooperate with him or respond. Irrelevant he was following him which means he had to exit his vehicle to do that.

Of course Martin would try and get away from a man following him whom he does not know. Isn't that what we teach our kids.

Right, after the 911 dispatcher told him not to.

Zimmerman told police that is what happened, so are you saying he is lying about them exchange words.

Man how convenient.

So you mean to tell me folks work on their broken noses at home all the time. Well lets hope that the police were smart enough to take pictures of all of these wounds.

See this is why folks are questioning this and the police.

He had to be on top of Zimmerman, remember he knocked him down with one punch and then he was on top of him beating him and smashing his head on the pavement. Surely he wouldn't let him get up to shoot him.

Sure it is, if he was attacked at his vehicle and being pummelled on the pavement then how did he end up in the back of someone's house.

Really, I don't remember saying that Zimmerman weighed 250lbs.

Now how is it you get a dead kid's weight, but not the living shooter.

Zimmerman fell to the ground, where, he says, Martin proceeded to beat him, bashing his head against the sidewalk:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/geor...from-behind-bashed-his-head-against-sidewalk/[/quote]

Now how did he exchange words and get punched in the nose from behind.

I am framing it from the info given.

I agree.

I have had my share.

Fair enough, but could she drop me with a punch in the nose.

Fair enough, so if he was knocked to the ground senseless and his head is been bashed to the sidewalk which means he would be even more senseless, when did he gather his senses to pull his gun out and shoot.

Oh so showing that he was actually beaten senseless isn't too important. What a joke.

My questions are coming straight from the police reports and witnesses and you can't dispute them. I am going by Zimmerman's own words.

I don't know about a halo, but Zimmerman isn't the upstanding you defenders are making him out to be.

So his own words that he gave police are ridiculous, ok.

Sorry drug tests found nothing in his system, funny though that Mr. Zimmerman was screened for drugs or alcohol were most law enforcement agencies say that is almost routine. Well his hands should be in pretty bad shape according to the so-called beating that he gave Zimmerman.

If a frog had a glass ass it would break everytime he jumps. Now when you are proven wrong I will see if you are man enough to admit that he killed this kid.

 

This is incorrect. You are correct in a neighborhood patrol, but no member of that patrol has the right to question or detain anyone. Now if claim that they do please tell us by what authority they have the right to do so.