Red Cross volunteers heading to storm struck areas... any atheist organizations???

Red Cross volunteers heading to storm struck areas... any atheist organizations???

I constantly see people complain about religion, and religious organizations attempting to influence and brainwash people, and then I am reminded every time there is a disaster across this country, or sometimes just a house fire, how the Red Cross and other religious organizations come into those areas to offer what assistance they can to the local people affected by the disasters... and I always wonder, are there any atheist organizations doing the same?

Just curious if anyone can link me to some atheist run organizations that have headed south to the tornado areas, the flood areas, the snow areas... or is it just the religious organizations (I only named one of several doing this) that seem to come to the aid of people with no expectation of worship after... they just believe its their duty as religious people to help others, its part of their religion, but I've never heard of any large atheist organizations doing this...

now is the chance for atheists who always complain about religion to chime in and tell me what wonderful organizations are helping with these disasters...

 

I think the Red Cross is humanitarian not religious.

 

was founded by christians, and expanded by christians, working with christian churches to raise funds and provide volunteers... used to hand out bibles to people and host masses... and slowly over the decades its been whittled down to less of a religious organization, but the roots are very religious and very deep... and now more than ever in this politically correct world of offense to anything you dislike, they've sadly put aside their faith in many instances they used to be proud of before... in fact many of the last few decades of board members have gone out of their way to cover up and rewrite their history and presentation to others...

how about the salvation army, they refuse to give up their religious undertone... but they never shove it in the face of people, they are in fact a favorite of anti-religious protesters...

P.S. do you think you could offer any non-religious organizations that are helping with all these disasters? I often can never find any participating in relief efforts...

 

The Red Cross was founded by Clara Barton around 1880.. I don't think it has a religious affiliation.

 

The Red Cross isn’t a religious organisation. It’s specifically neutral, including on religious grounds.

There are religious organisation involved in this kind of work. I suspect that in some cases because religious groups have some of the necessary infrastructure already in place or groups of associates starting a new organisation shared the same faith and so carried that in to the organisation and yes, in some cases with a deliberate aim of promoting their faith. There are (as far as I’m aware) no specifically atheist rescue organisations because there are few atheist organisations with that existing infrastructure, numerically fewer atheists less geographically grouped and less desire (or that matter benefit) in using this to promote atheism.

Most emergency and rescue organisations are entirely or effectively secular which strikes me as quite right. Even many religious-based organisations will often have staff/members who are non-religious or of different faiths and limited practical reference to any religious basis to their forming. After all, why should a person’s religious beliefs have any relevance at all in the context of emergency response?

 

actually she founded the american red cross, it existed long before her... and if you've been to the museum in geneva to view its history, you'll see the immense religious involvement in the beginning... heck even with Clara you will as well, her work with christian organizations when she founded the american chapter is why it grew to be what it is today in this country... I know people don't know much about the history of the red cross, aside from whatever wikipedia they can find, but its very much a religious organization in its roots... its been watered down the last few decades more than most... but even during WWII it was quite christian... it never stopped them from treating those of others religions, or non-religious folks, but at the core they were... and like I said, they've been working hard to erase their history in this new politically correct everyone gets offended by religion times... take a trip to geneva, or take time to visit the american headquarters, and try to tell me the statues and monuments and marble floors with inlay of religious symbols and phrases are not religious... its like going to a court room and people get offended at all the "god" stuff...

P.S. any chance you've thought of an atheist organization yet that does as much as all the christian charities do for people in time of need???

 

It was founded 20 years earlier in Switzerland and has a congressional mandate for disaster relief according to the Geneva Convention..

http://history1900s.about.com/od/medicaladvancesissues/p/redcross.htm

 

and I could link to thousands of editorials just like yours saying its religious... opinion vs opinion doesn't make either a fact... hence why I recommend taking a trip to geneva, and viewing the museum, it will demonstrate the religious foundation it was built upon... versus the watered down religious organization it is today...

P.S. I notice you still have not named any other atheist organizations helping people in disaster situations... maybe focus on that side of the argument...

 

I wonder how many organizations for Left-handed Redheads have been contributing to the relief efforts. I smell another scandal a'cookin.

 

I don't have to answer your question about "atheist organizations".

Religious beliefs[edit]

Although not formally a member of the Universalist Church of America, in a 1905 letter to the widow of Carl Norman Thrasher, she identified herself with her parents' church as a "Universalist".

While she was not an active member of her parents' church, Clara wrote about how well known her family was in her hometown and how many relationships her father formed with others in their town through their church and religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clara_Barton


Apparently she was progressive and for women's suffrage movement.

 

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No one thinks of the Red Cross as being a religious organization....NO ONE, except...well, except for those who want to think it is. Classic Non-issue.

 

I have been to Geneva, Switzerland many times or are you speaking of Geneva, NY?

I don't really give a sh** about atheists organizations ... What's your agenda?

 

my point is, atheists who complain of religion, sure don't refuse the help these organizations bring them at the worst times of their life... and if atheists are so against religious organizations having a cross or bible while they do their work, where are all the giant atheist organizations going around helping people...

basically, put up or shut up...

P.S. you should have stopped at the museum while you were in Geneva... you wouldn't be questioning its religious foundation and support...

 

LOLOL... So that's it.. Only "religious" people help others.

 

Red Cross stole over 550 million from 9-11 victims. Again from Hurricane Katrina victims. Then the Haiti missing money. The list goes on.

https://www.rt.com/usa/264933-red-cross-haiti-money/

http://sfbayview.com/2010/03/the-re...haiti-relief-effort-but-only-sent-80-million/

Raised BILLIONS and built six homes. Yep, give to the red crass.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/haiti/article23061570.html

 

The (International) Red Cross was created by Christians because in 1800s Europe, pretty much everyone was (nominally) Christian. It will have worked with churches because churches held much or the resources and power at the time. It was never a religious organisation though, being specifically established to be independent on all grounds, national, racial and religious. The religious element was largely moot when it was operating solely within Europe because of that same Christian dominance but the principle was always there.

The modern Red Cross is most certainly not a religious organisation (as you almost concede) and even more explicitly holds to its religious neutrality given the world-wide environment it now works in. The people working within the organisation will be of all sorts of religions and lack thereof. Presenting it as an example of religious people helping in contrast to atheists not helping remains simply wrong.

 

I never said only religious people help others, I'm just wondering where are all the giant atheist organizations if the religious ones should be dissolved to appease them?

P.S. I notice you still after all these messages, have not listed any atheist organizations helping people in disaster relief in all the storms recently... can't name any?

 

Last I checked, it's not atheists blowing up abortion clinics and engaging in jihad.

 

I covered that in post #5.

 

So, you're just trying to pick a fight. You have no intention whatsoever of discussing anything in a respectful manner, you just want to (*)(*)(*)(*) all over atheists. And here I thought flamebait was forbidden on this site.

Ignore-list.

 

If it is not religious in any way then would you please explain to me why they use the red cross in Christian countries and the red crescent in Muslim countries. An organization with no religious ties at all would have no need to use two different symbols. Or am I just missing something?

Know the American red cross was most definitely started and founded on religious grounds. The first local chapter in the states was founded at a Lutheran church. Not by the government or a bunch of atheist but a church. Churches tend do do religious things and if they start a organization it tends to have some sort of religious influence in it.

 

The Red Cross was originally founded in Switzerland in 1863.

Do you know the Swiss flag? Its red with a white cross.

 

It was based on the Swiss flag with the colours reversed (because the founders happened to be Swiss). The Red Crescent (and other symbols) were introduced only because people outside the organisation made the same assumption you did (or feared others would) and make a false direct link to Christianity. The organisation itself remained religiously neutral, no more Christian than it is Swiss.

The American Red Cross was developed from the European original (which became the International Red Cross) and based on the same principles, including neutrality. As with Europe, most people in America at the time were (nominally at least) Christian and I suspect the Lutheran church was just a convenient meeting place (the founder herself wasn’t Lutheran). Some of the individuals involved may well have been influenced by their faith in this endeavour but the organisation itself was, and remains, quite specifically secular.

For the modern Red Cross, that secularism is all the more important given the places and conflicts it works within and people working, volunteering and donating will cover a full range of different religions and none.

 

"Humanist Crisis Response" is an atheist organization that helps people in disasters.

 

A better question might be have any muslim organizations headed there to help.