Red Cross volunteers heading to storm struck areas... any atheist organizations???

Assumes facts NOT in evidence.

 

It isn't.

 

Correct. Well done.

 

Indeed.

 

Spot-on.

 

Correct.

 

I'm okay of religious people stop believing in reigion, which ties into your second question if I was ever religious... I was raised catholic, but at age 16 I got into a heated debate with my theology teacher (a nun) and ever since I have not practiced or participated in religion since, and its been many many decades since then... so clearly I understand and appreciate someone becoming an atheist when raised in a religious family... perhaps thats why I still respect the work they do while others do not... or perhaps its just because I've witnessed these organizations in my own neighborhood helping someone the other week... I have no faith in them, but I believe in freedom...

I never said people can't donate to any charity they want, they are freely able to choose what or if they donate to anyone... I have no desire to change that...

I will also agree faith based initiatives should not be government funded, I have no problem with that ending... what I have a problem with is people who demand and attempt to stop religious organizations from being, or practicing their faith how they see fit... if it doesn't fit in what you want, you are free not to practice with them, its that simple, get up and leave, I did, its been fine for me... what I have not done, is attempt to shut them down or negatively impact them based upon my own contempt or hate...

so once again, you're attempting to inject words into my mouth I have never uttered... please stop doing that, I honestly expect more from you... not so much some of these other posters...

 

I was raised Christian as well, respect Christians, not religious fanatics

can you show me where anyone has tried to create a law preventing a religious charity from existing, not sure where you are getting this

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Kudos. Well done.

 

in other words, you can't defend the facts because it would acknowledge I am right and you are wrong in your assumptions... and simply because you found a watered down highly edited version of a history book, clearly that must the the only true history, despite many pages missing and a lot of context removed to support your thoughts?

message received... you dismiss anything that proves you wrong, and only accept things that prove you right... because you don't like being wrong about its religious foundation... are you going to tell me next the YMCA isn't christian as well? despite their website now removing all mentions of such to appease the politically correct? and they now ban the practice of religious services being offered within them? a religious neutering like no other, the same as the red cross and many others...

 

NOW I get it, you are just totally confused about atheist and what we are against. No wonder your post makes no sense. And yes lots of community and civic organizations help out in emergencies having been through several such natural disasters. In fact I have donated to religious groups that were doing so, just imagine and atheist doing that.

 

are you suggesting there has never been an atheist who has attempted to dismantle a religious organization practicing their beliefs?

thats a little disingenuous to make such a statement when there have clearly been groups who attempted this very thing... as well as the ones who annually attempt to disrupt the salvation armys red kettle campaign and tell people tl donate to non-religious charities instead of them... isn't that doing exactly what I just claimed? so proof...

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I am atheist... so I'm not confused in the least bit... I don't deny some donate to religious charities, but I also don't deny many attempt to dismantle religion as well... I guess thats the difference, you have your blinders on, I took mine off LONG ago, to religion and to atheist hypocrites...

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I never said it was a law being passed... I cited from the beginning, there are atheist, who attempt to dismantle religious organizations who do charity work... and I never see those atheist show up during emergency events to assist people, I only see the religious organizations show up and offer assistance to whomever, despite their religion... so I want to know, of those atheist who do this, where are they when people need help, because I only see the religious charities showing up to help... not them...

 

Please define "dismantle religion," and give a few examples that go beyond mere critique of religion.

 

can you give us a couple examples of these so called atheists attempting to dismantle a religious charity from existing?

you have been provided links to Atheists assisting in emergency situations, you have been provided links to Christians refusing to let them help, you can ignore them if you choose

most theists and atheists do not wear signs saying they are such

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The term means that you have utterly failed to produce a single shred of evidence to support your feckless attacks against atheists.

You keep on repeating your baseless whining about atheists but can't prove a single one of your allegations.

Your word is not sufficient evidence of anything whatsoever.

 

I agree, I think they should be able too, doesn't mean everyone has to like it or agree with it....

as I said, I would also support the Peyote religion setting up teepees and introducing people to the peyote religion while giving them a place to stay for awhile

what I would not support is the government funding that faith based initiative

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No I think you even got darker lenses, just look at your contention "atheist" do not help out in emergencies. And where are these atheist who want to dismantle private religious groups or churches, I know of no atheist who want to do any such thing and in fact would defend their right to have their private religious groups and churches.

Who? Where?

 

just because you reject the proof does not mean its factually incorrect... I guess thats the difference, you refuse to acknowledge it, because it doesn't support you... thats not my fault, that is yours... so I've demonstrated and proven my statements, just because you don't like it, does not change the fact I have done it...

 

well I hesitate to cite the gay marriage lawsuits over companies refusing to service them because of their religious objections... because I acknowledge its a fuzzy gray area myself, in some instances I've found the business could have done it without conflict, and in others clearly they could not provide service without the conflict... meanwhile the gay couples sue them to force them to dismantle their religious beliefs, or simply go out of business... I would classify this as an in between example since I clearly acknowledge some of these could go both ways... but its still quite a relevant thing happening...

another example of dismantling is people removing one religion from public schools, while allowing others to freely operate... for example muslims are allowed to leave class and pray throughout the day and are allowed to wear religious items on clothing thats other students would be forbidden to wear... for example the hijab which is a religious item in my opinion, however if a christian student wanted to pray during the school time they would not be permitted, as well as not being allowed to wear a cross or tshirt with any symbolic mentionings... several students have been suspend or made to change before entering school as a result of their religious clothing...

another example would be the atheist groups who in the past have protested against the red kettle drive for the salvation army, in fact almost every christmas season in my area there is one or two groups that make the news protesting and screaming at people outside stores, until the store asks the salvation army to leave that day, despite moments ago they were invited to ring their bells outside... I would say thats a very critical example of attempting to dismantle a religious organization by taking direct actions to affect its fundraising ability in attempt to limit or close local chapters...

there are so many constant and ongoing examples I often wonder how nobody else could see them... sure some of them are more subjective than others and we could debate back and forth if its directly an atheist vs religion incident, but some are just slam dunks and beyond contesting... yet people want to reject anything that doesn't support their narrative? clearly I've just self-editorialized some of my own examples and hesitations in bringing them up, because this is one time when the majority of my proof is going to be religious websites, and people have already slammed and denied me acceptance of that information, merely because a religious website said it... they assume its biased and unfactual as if I had cited a FOX link to a democrat or an MSNBC link to a republican... how can I cite proof they won't accept, its still factual...

 

It is factually incorrect because the proof does not exist!

You have not provided a single credible source for your worthless attacks on atheists therefore they are all in your head and nowhere else.

 

those are not charities, it they were charities or clubs, they could do it, they are business open to the public is why they can not discriminate based on race or gender

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again not a charity, public school are run by the government and should not be pushing anyone's religion on other peoples children

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they have a right to get their msg out, while I dislike the bell ringers, not for religious reasons, just cause it is annoying, I support their right to do it if the business allows it

 

Some problems. The bakery was in violation of state laws - laws created by the mostly religious state legislature. You have no proof that
the girls involved in the incident were not religious (yes, there are many churches that will marry the gay church members). Many gay people are not
atheists.

You are going to have to provide proof that the principle and school board of the schools indicated were atheists in your clothing examples.

Red kettle drives? I have seem many, yet never protesters ... is this a problem? Really?

The problems with your "proofs" is that they are very weak, or statistically irrelevant.

 

you did not really come up with any examples of charities being dismantled by atheists... just some displeased with the constant begging for money when they enter a store...

a Christian punched a kettle girl for saying "Happy Holidays" so I guess we could attack all Christians too, say they want to dismantle the kettles? always bad apples in every group

http://www.alternet.org/salvation-army-volunteer-hit-after-saying-happy-holidays

one has the right to speak their mind, but not be violent

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The first and last examples you mentioned don't have anything whatsoever to do with atheism! Instead they are the LBGT community responding to how religious organizations like the SA and businesses have illegally discriminated against gays.

Atheists do not object to children praying in schools at all. They object to TEACHERS leading prayers in schools. Huge difference. Never heard of an atheist objecting to a child wearing a cross or a jesus t-shirt to school either.

What is patently obvious is that you are erroneously conflating atheism with the LBGT community, many of whom are devout believers, without any basis whatsoever.

 

I cited very relevant and constant things happening... just because you dislike them does not negate the fact they are happening and I happen to view them as an attack on dismantling those religious organizations...

would you not consider a lawsuit against a church, by a gay couple refused service, as an attack on that religion and organization?

do you not consider protesters targeting only religious organizations during the holiday fundraising season a direct attempt to dismantle that religion and organization?

is a lawsuit against business owners practicing their religious beliefs, not a direct dismantling and attack on religion at its core?

I would say all of these and the thousands of recent examples around this country and world, would signify I have come up with examples being dismantled by atheists...