Red Cross volunteers heading to storm struck areas... any atheist organizations???

over time religious overtones have been replaced not by their mission, but by the politically correct crowd taking leadership positions and destroying it from within... lets not confuse the two very different means... but regardless of the current outcome as a result of those actions, it doesn't negate the founding and long growth and support as a result of religion... including even today, many red cross chapters are hosted out of churches still today... run by church participants, trained by church participants, fundraising by church participants... because its still to this day, HEAVILY religious...

don't think of the red cross as like, a single national organization, its literally thousands of local organizations all independent but working towards a common goal... if we removed all the religious organizations running their local chapters, it would be quite the difference what the red cross looks like suddenly, it would almost cease to have presence and people... sure it would still have the "national" chapter which gets money funneled to it from each individual local chapter, but without them, it fails to be...

this is why I say its still a religious organization... because they still run almost every single chapter out of their churches... think of it like a mcdonalds franchise, corporate mcdonalds sets the tone, and they control the bylaws, but the franchisee's make up the vast majority of restaurants and control its ultimate fate... they've just chosen to continue helping, despite the demands of non-religion... I would suggest making them true christians, not wanting a pat on the back for their immense efforts... but for people to dismiss and marginalize those efforts as a result of them being christians and the influence they ultimately have on the world, I think is dishonest at best...

still waiting for someone to provide me a list of atheist led organizations that bring relief to emergencies all across this country on a daily basis... nobody seems to have any... just the attempt to belittle and demean the religious efforts behind the red cross... I notice nobody touched on the salvation army, or any of the other religious groups who show up to disaster scenes across this country daily... they just can't seem to find an atheist group who does it...

 

why don't you go ahead and google all the lawsuits against places like the salvation army by "atheists" who have gone after them... why don't you also google the campaigns to get people to stop donating to religious organizations during the holidays and instead give to atheist groups... are you completely dismissive of these efforts and reality? or do you just live in a fish bowl and you've seen the same castle the past 30 years you've been swimming around that fish bowl?

no soup for you...

 

I never claimed to be christian, I in fact in multiple postings on this website, acknowledge I am atheist... way to attempt to stereotype me to fit your agenda...

I just am reminded on an almost daily basis how religious charities help people all around this country and world during disasters, then I am reminded of the atheists who attempting to have those charities disbanded because of their own hate and contempt for them preaching their morals and values... and it left me wondering, if atheists got what they wanted, who would be left to help people on a daily basis, what atheist charity is there to step in the place of these religious charities today? and I couldn't think of any...

P.S. I also never said atheists don't help, I do however state atheists have in fact attempted to dismantle these religious charities out of their own hate and contempt... thats a documented fact over the years as many have sued these organizations, and attempting to block them from their missions... as well as atheist who have attempted to disrupt their fund raising in hopes it would force the local chapters to stop existing and assisting those in need... how narrow minded of you to ignore all this...

P.S.S. saying christians are forced to help or go to hell, is also a bit narrow minded of you, is it safe to assume you are one of these vengeful and hateful atheists who would love to see religious charities shut down? I mean you sure already have a lot of rage and contempt for christians it would seem with your stereotypical thoughts...

 

I believe we just need better laws. Well regulated militia could be mustered to help out more effectively.

 

Speaking as a trained Red Cross volunteer I can assure you that it is a secular organization with no religious affiliations.

As far as purely atheist relief organizations go I suggest you take a look at this link;

http://freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Secular_charities

 

That is not how this works.

You made the assertion and it is on you to back it up.

Saying look it up means you have nothing to support your assertion.

Googling such lawsuits as you claim provided some interesting results.

It seems the red Cross was sued and fined at one point for unsafe blood collecting. Nothing to do with atheism.

They were sued by a family who claimed their kid ate a cookie from the red Cross which was contaminated and made him sick. Nothing to do with atheism.

Some organizations have sued the red Cross over the actual red Cross symbol that they use claiming they have no right to exclusive use of it or whatever. Still nothing to do with atheism.

All such a Google search proves is that any large organization will be sued by someone somewhere sooner or later for any number of reasons. However of the various lawsuits filed against the red Cross none of them were filed by atheists or have anything to do with religion at least that is what your Google search shows.

You are proven an epic FAIL.

Your claim is false and you have nothing to support it.

There are in fact atheist charities as shown by another poster. However atheists are few in number and Christians refuse to cooperate with them.

On the other hand many atheists join the ranks of the red Cross and other charities even charities which might have a religious connection. Probably because atheists are willing to put aside such differences to help a brother out.

Christians apparently will not show such tolerance making them the true hypocrites.

 

That's not what I said. I suggested it would be hypocritical for atheists who object to specifically religious charities to start specifically atheist ones? I'm sure atheists have been involved in starting secular charities and atheists certainly support secular and probably sometimes religious charities too. There is a major distinction between atheist and secular that so often gets missed in discussions like this.

To be fair, charities often duplicate roles or overlap so a direct replacement wouldn't automatically be necessary and anyway, the argument is more that the religious charities shouldn't proselytise through their charity work or discriminate on religious grounds. I'm in no way supporting anyone who calls for charities to be closed just because they have a religious basis (though I'd also argue that's a rare extreme position).

 

clearly I understand what an atheist is, as I have no religion, I believe in no god... your presumptions and stereotypes that I must be religious because in your little mind its impossible for an atheist to stand up for a religious organization, is not my fault at your inability to deal with that... perhaps try some new coping mechanisms...

I don't think they are a "group or organization"... I think they are individuals who sometimes freely gather to spread mutual hate and contempt for things they don't believe in, or differ in belief of... in this case, they don't believe in religion and work together to end religious organizations they dislike... case in point the numerous lawsuits against the salvation army, the attempts to disrupt their fund raising efforts during the holiday season, the constant belittle and demeaning of religious charities...

please don't project your own stereotypes upon me as factual, clearly I've already pointed out numerous flaws with your efforts to do so...

I made this entire topic because a neighbors house down the block burned down, and guess who showed up, the red cross, which is stationed out of the church down the road as well... and I kept thinking to myself with news stories about people telling folks not to donate to these charities, and instead, donate to non-religiously linked charities, as well as some protesters who disrupted the red kettle campaign... so if the atheist who hate religion want these charities to not raise money, and be gone, who would have shown up to help them with their entire house being a loss...

you seem to think someone must be christian to support a christians rights, this reminds me of the black lives matter movement, that thinks only blacks can represent blacks... is this how you feel? is this your logic? I believe in the freedom of a charity to do what it wants, without my consent, if thats wrong, I don't want to be right... but since atheist have made efforts in the past against these organizations where are all of theirs that would have showed up to my neighbors burnt house? none did...

 

You name the Red Cross as an example of what you feel "atheist organizations" aren't like. You must not be aware that the Red Cross is not a religious organization, and is endorsed by atheists.org.

Humanist Crisis Response and Doctors Without Borders are similar secular, non-religious organizations::

 

I am sure the atheist orgs are all too busy buying sex slaves in Mosul.

To set them free - of course.

 

I wasn't aware the Red Cross is a religious organization but, offhand, I know of no atheist organizations lending disaster assistance. Are you trying to say there are no purely secular organizations lending disaster assistance?

 

The ACLU is not an atheist organization.

The ACLU lawsuit against the salvation army was filed because it was breaking the law by using government funding to impose religion on employees and on services provided using government funds.

For the record the ACLU defends the right to freedom of religion for those of all faiths.

https://www.aclu.org/aclu-defense-religious-practice-and-expression

So it is disingenuous to blame atheists for actions of the American Civil Liberties Union that works hard to protect the rights of all citizens.

Furthermore I can't find anything at all that falls under the category of;

Please provide credible links to support that allegation.

 

I've already gone over this about a dozen times with others, I no longer feel compelled to give you a great explanation due to your lack of reading this entire thread and absorbing those responses... but I do think fender makes a neato guitar... I was trying to say something positive there for you...

 

Doctors without Borders is entirely secular.

 

So your claim is that atheists have tried to disband the American Red Cross? Horse manure.

 

I'm attempting to say, I can't think of any that show up daily in america... only the occasional moment for a world event... meanwhile, some demand the religious organizations be stopped because they "force religion on victims" and other claims they make when they attempt to disrupt these charities... so I was attempting to think of an atheist organization that does what they do, to the level they do it... still searching... so if the atheist who demand they cease to exist win, who will be there to help?

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if you think thats the only lawsuit, you are quite mistaken...

 

In which case the onus is on you to provide credible links to these other "lawsuits" that you allege exist.

 

Black Lives Matter will probably be there in case an opportunity for looting and rioting exists or just to be a pain-in-the-ass

 

I believe the Red Cross should have a security force or militia available.

 

Atheists comprise 3.1% of the US population and less than 1 in 10 (0.3% of the population) discuss atheism weekly.

Compare that to 26% of theists who do so on a weekly basis.

Amazing how much impact so few people are having of the minds of so many.

Is atheism so strong that it can threaten religion?

Or is religion just whining because it can't stop atheists from ensuring that we have a secular government of We the People?

 

You no longer "feel compelled" because yours is a lost cause.

"The International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement is the world's largest humanitarian network. The Movement is neutral and impartial, and provides protection and assistance to people affected by disasters and conflicts...." Neutral, not religious.

Off the top of my head, Oxfam, Dr's Without Borders, and Wateraid, are three major secular aid organisations with international scope. The UNICEF comes in to that category too.aid agencies too..

In passing, we have Syrian Muslim refugees volunteering to fill sandbags and supplying hot drinks to workers coping with the British floods.

 

no, after about saying the same thing 10 times in a thread, you just get sick of saying it since clearly nobody bothered to read any of those statements... its okay if you have a different opinion, clearly I do as well, and I made it very clear and cited my examples and logic long ago... now I just grow tired of repeating it to new people... I guess thats the drawback of posting a thread, attempting to fairly respond to each person as an individual instead of just cutting and pasting the same thing over and over...

 

You are entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts.