Who's to Blame? Guns or Muslims, take your pick!

Every single news report I've seen on the Orlando shooting has blamed external groups rather than the individual himself.

The left likes to blame guns, the right likes to blame Muslims.

Which side of the fence do you fall on, or do you blame the individual himself.

I imagine the responses will be of the format: "I blame the individual partly, but he wouldn't have been successful if it wasn't for [laissez-faire gun/immigration policy]", depending on which side you take of course.

Thanks.

 

I don't blame Muslims or guns, I blame the shooter 100% fully.

 

The Right refuses to acknowledge that Christians with guns kill a lot of Americans too.

The Left blame easy access to guns, not the guns themselves, instead of acknowledging the mindset of the shooters.

Both have blood on their hands.

Take your pick as to who should shoulder more of the blame.

 

According to MSNBC, Trump is to blame.

 

My God there are rational people left on this rock.

 

And these Christians are exactly who?

 

Google is your friend.

Here's a quick list of Christian Terrorists:

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-a...ks-extreme-christians-and-far-right-white-men

And here's a more detailed look at who is practicing terrorism in America:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-mu...0-of-all-terrorist-attacks-in-america/5333619

Granted, these reports do not take in to account the most recent Orlando or San Bernardino shootings, but the facts are clear. What you do with them is up to you...

 

Christian terrorists. Bwahahahaha!

Nice deflection. Islam is the problem, bud.

 

A year ago they would have blamed Bush.

 

I blame Muslims.... or more specifically radical extremists.. I still don't know what other uses A-R 15s have nor have I ever seen one, but I don't blame guns.

 

We can always say, "Oh that terrorists isn't a REAL Christian", we don't allow Muslims that same discretion.

 

The extremist Muslim faction is pushing these type of attacks, but the individual chose to listen. The individual is to blame for this, and no inanimate object can act on it's own. If terrorists didn't have guns they would use fertilizer and diesel instead. Really when you think about it, it would be much cheaper in the long run.

 

The facts are clear. They didn't commit this atrocity. Anything else is your liberal fantasy. Next.

 

Only one person is responsible for the carnage. And luckily he is dead. I only wish he would have suffered.

 

With gun restriction the casualties would probably by very less the terrorist would either be using a revolver or pistol or knife not an auto combat AR17

 

1. He was using a semi-auto AR 15. The most popular modern sporting rifle in the country, used by millions for sport and hunting.

2. Handguns are typically their choice because of concealability. Virginia Tech demonstrates how a high death toll can be achieved just as easily.

3. He had firearms qualifications which would have qualified him to own an AR 15 in pretty much any country where they're legal - including New Zealand. He would have been able to get a rifle in most developed nations, if not a semi-automatic handgun.

 

Nowhere did I claim that they did, only that Christians are responsible for a great many acts of terrorism.

Denying this fact is your conservative fantasy. Next.

 

liberal definition of a great many= any possible example of what I can find to preserve the liberal fantasy. This is what is not fantasy. The Orlando massacre committed by Muslims. Whitey and no Christians involved. PERIOD. Anything else is just a weak attempt at deflection.

 

I blame the shooter for his actions, I blame the gun lobby for the lack of regulation that allows guns to be easily bought.

The fact is that guns are designed to inflict harm and give people the means to kill many people in a short space of time.

I have no doubt that the shooter would have tried to do something regardless but the fact that guns are so readily available made his actions far easier to carry out.

 

It takes some real expertise to make a bomb and it's inherently dangerous and can be noticed by neighbors/friends etc.

Assault weapons make it so much easier and reliable.

 

Tell that to the marathon bomber victims and the victims from Tim mcveigh.

 

As the picture begins to become more clear it gets muddier. I'm certainly on that side that Islamic culture is incompatible with western value. I'm perfectly willing to be accepting of people who are accepting of our value. The rest can stay where their values reign.

That said, If it's true that this guy was in fact a gay regular of the club...

Could this in fact have been an attempt by the perpetrator to highlight the conflict in value between Islam and western culture? Could it actually be that by some twisted nutjob logic this guy wasn't trying to please his father, but rather to pin this horrific behavior on a culture that caused him such personal anguish? Is this the world's most f'd up hate hoax frame job?

 

That's a total of TWO...over what...20 years?

How many mass shooting incidences have there been over that same time period?

 

What people ignore is that this was essentially a suicide. It appears he may have been a self hating gay dude who took this out on other gays. The ISIS thing could have been what pushed him over the edge. ISIS targets vulnerable/confused/criminal types

 

Those two had how many deaths and injuries? Oh yeah forgot 9/11 there to. Sorry but yeah banning guns is stupid