Who's to Blame? Guns or Muslims, take your pick!

Not really, your run of the mill pipe bomb can be made from items you buy at Walmart, and since most of the explosiveness of them comes from the black powder they are fill with they are perfectly stable.

Black Powder BTW can't ignite unless exposed to flame, so it's really stable.

 

Yeah, there is a whole lot of blame to go around. The guy was a terrorist, indoctrinated and supported ISIS as I understand it. He also was very anti-guy and probably anti-American ideals. I was going to say values, but it seems the left has their American values and the right another set. At least on certain things.

I put most of the blame on the shooter, followed by Islamic Terrorists, ISIS if you will but not the religion of Islam or Muslims as a whole. Guns? Guns is nothing more than a tool. The right is right that if one or more of the patrons had a concealed weapon, perhaps the carnage could have been stopped before it rose to the height it did. Perhaps. But one would needed to be trained and most likely had experience in acting under fire along with steady nerves.

I do not really blame guns. One thing about mass shootings not counting California and Orlando, they were terrorist inspired. But back for the entire decade of the 1950's there was only one mass shooting. My growing up time, also in that decade there were no gun control laws at all, no restrictions, no background checks, about the only gun control law I remember was that one had to have a federal permit to own a machine gun. Here I think something has gone terribly wrong with our society and we have to work on that, find out what it is and correct it. Gun control laws does nothing to get at the heart of the problem of mass shootings.

These terrorists, California and Florida types, vigilance is the key. Home grown, lone wolf attacks are the hardest to recognize and stop. That is unless we want such a big brother security apparatus that the one the old USSR had would look like cupcakes. I think we could have taken out ISIS a couple of years ago if we had wanted to. But that would have meant making nice with Assad who had the boots on the ground so those in Washington tried to have it both ways, take out Assad and defeat ISIS. But that is another subject for another day. With ISIS gone there would have been peace in Syria and probably Iraq. What kind of peace, who knows? Perhaps a harsh peace, but without exporting terrorism or at least not at the rate it is today.

Blame, worry about that later. Today, now try to come up with workable solutions to prevent these terrorist attacks. Perhaps we, the people, must decide which is more dear to us, security or personal individual freedoms. How much of our privacy, our individual freedoms and rights are we willing to give up for security from these attacks and yes, from mass shootings also.

 

The liberal idea of combatting global jihad and Islamic terror with a ban on guns is beyond absurd to begin with but it actually is even dumber given that they advocate keeping the borders open, which would essentially allow free flow of terrorists and the smuggling of all sorts of weapons.

 

I blame our culture. We live in a society where too many people do whatever they want whenever they feel like it. Incidents like road rage and people coming back to kill a guy after losing a fight are some examples of such behavior.

jmo

 

Those who would have bothered to give even a passing glance at the two links I provided would, undoubtedly, come to the conclusion that you are full of excrement of the bovine variety.

To you it's not "Terrorism" when a self-avowed white, Christian, opens fire on a group of people. No, you reserve that nomenclature only when it fits your narrative of it being "Islamic Terrorism".

 

There are no Christians killing one another.

Funny how all these damn killers turn to Islam when they're in prison.... They don't turn to Jesus they turn to Muhammad.

Killers have blood on their hands and it doesn't take a gun to have blood on your hands it takes a sick mind.

 

Guns do not cause violence any more than pencils mis-spell words. Spoons are not to blame for obesity. Etc, etc....

 

Well, the question we'll never be able to answer is, did he believe the hype or was he trying to expose the hype?

 

I think there is nothing really to blame. In a country like switzerland, many people own firearms and there are muslims there too. So if there is a problem, that's america. It is becoming a target for muslim extremists. I think this will not be the last act of muslim terrorism we see in the usa.

 

Guns...the guy did the deed but he did it with guns. Without a gun, he is just another idiot.

 

The marathon bombers killed three people. If they had guns, many more would have died.

 

I blame failure of government.

- This guy's parents should never have been admitted to the US, based upon his father's ties with the taliban.
- This guy's violent wife-beating past should have landed him in jail, where he should have been kept in perpetuity.
- This guy's past FBI investigations, coupled with the above two items, should have resulted in his close surveillance and NICS denial at the FFL.

 

The marathon bombers injured far more than that. Again the "Blame Guns" crowd forgets that. Oh and I see you completely ignored 9/11, how many died due to terrorists using guns that day? Oh yeah none. How many died on that day due to terrorists using other means? THOUSANDS.

 

What about the people who radicalized him?

 

I'm a nurse in a prison. 99% of convicts doing time self-identify as Christians.

And, no matter how much you wish to deny it, Christians slaughter innocents on a regular basis, you just choose not to call them terrorists. I am under no such delusions.

 

He and he alone made the conscious choice to pull the trigger... hundreds of times.

 

How about... society?

 

Guess what? I've been to prison and you're absolutely wrong...

When people go to the joint then they find Muhammad or Jesus - they don't find God on the streets...... Also 99% of inmates don't even look for God....

 

Since Omar Mateen was born in New York 29 years ago, his father could not have been a supporter of the Taliban on his son's birth as the Taliban did not exist then. As for the pathetic gun checks nothing more needs to be said.

 

Not at all. "If there's a will there's a way" applies literally here. We all have the ability to kill scores of people effectively.





Not to mention the myriad of gun murders and mass shootings done with black market guns: the Paris attacks occurred in Molenbeek, Belgium where it's apparently quite easy to get a gun with a few hours time, 1000 euros and the will to match.





Gun control is quickly becoming irrelevant through advantages in technology: already you can 3D print working firearms, they will only get more precise and reliable into the future. The AR-15 is a very popular firearm for a variety of reasons. The state need is severely lacking in comparison.

 

We have a winnah, and so early too. The most ignorant post of the day.

 

I only blame infidels, protestants, and renegades to our First Amendment.

 

Do you have any possible clue as to what an assault weapon is or isn't?

 

an assault weapon is fully automatic. a "light assault" weapon is Only semi-automatic.

even toy guns have been confused with real weapons.

 

Nope, but nice try.