Who's to Blame? Guns or Muslims, take your pick!

They are necessary for a free and secure state.

If the government ever starts nightly raids on people it deems "unacceptable" those people need the capability of defense.

The people around them need the capability of helping them in a time like that, sure blood will be spilled, but the tree of liberty has to be watered every so often.

And don't say "well that will never happen" it's happened thousands of times in the last millennium. It's human nature.

The people are the only threat this country has left, at least the only one who could cause a shift in the power balance.

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Don't forget plain old guys from Montana.

There will always be ********s out there, that's why everyone deserves te right to defend themselves from any situation.

 

I blame the individual, AND his 'mentors.' I do not believe it is ISLAM. I believe that there are Islamist and 'Christians' who are guilty.

But I don't view 'America' as the place to consider. We should do so worldwide. In modern days (old history is baloney for people grasping at straws), world wide terrorism is more associated with Muslim groups who do not follow main stream Islam. Just like Christian terrorists, Islamist terrorists, those who do this evil only claim their religion, they don't follow the tenets.

 

That link only shows us the names of people who CLAIMED to be Christians. Let's get down to the nitty gritty. In these modern times you can't find a 'Christian' who actually follows the tenets and does acts of terror.

 

Blaming the Gun for that Muslim Terrorist Attack would be the same Idiocy as Blaming the Folk for People being Obsess

 

You are trying to distract and change the subject.

You made the claim that Islamic based terrorism in the USA was miniscule and was greatly surpassed by Chrsitian terrorism, and you provided 2 links as your proof.

All I did was totally destroy your "proof" (proof which you obviously did not read) and the foundation for your argument.

 

That was the "weapon of choice" for the right wing abortion bombers...but they also used a fair number f semi-automatics

 

Muslims

I have over 50 guns..they haven't tried to chop my head off yet

 

The person of course and whatever influences him. In this case, radical Islam. The gun is an immobile collection of harmless metal. It's only dangerous when used by a stupid or sick person.


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Ok, so you made my point clearer. Bombs aren't that hard to make. Point is there is no stopping a person bent on killing people, unless your lucky enough to kill them first.

 

You say tomato....

Look, I get that you have no desire to admit that Christians, some of them at least, practice terrorism.

It just doesn't fit your narrative that all terrorism is Islamic in nature.

It's idiocy on your part, but I understand it.

You completely disregard people like Eric Rudolph, and completely deny that groups like the IRA and the KKK were functioning under the guise of biblical based religions.

You are free to make that mistake.

I am free not to.

 

and when has those Christian used their religion to justify them using that gun in a murder?

 

So, when a terrorist CLAIMS to be Islamic, it is accepted as fact.

And yet, when one CLAIMS to be a Christian it is rebuffed.

I'm guessing you've never heard of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy...

 

wen Christain use Christanity as the Justification of their terroist act then yes Cristanity can be looked at a finger poited at and what ever denomination, organization, church, priest and or group that intepretited Chrisanty to justify that terroist act needs to be eliminated

 

Robert Lewis Dear.

 

Was there any particular church, priest, and or denomination that taught him influence him or motivated him to commit his terrorist act?

 

The Army Of God...


http://www.armyofgod.com/

 

and are listed by the federal government as a terrorist group have been denounced by all established Christian denominations and organizations even by other pro life organizations

 

Much as Islamic terrorists have been denounced by every single American Islamic organization.

Do you see a pattern here?

 

That Islam is a barbaric religion that treats women worse than dogs and inspires Islamic terrorists all around the world to kill innocent women and children?

 

problem is they aren't denounced by Muslims not by the same numbers you see being denounced by Christians when a terrorist act is done in the name of Christianity
poll show that Muslim including Muslims Americans 20 to 30% condone, sympathies, and justify Muslim terrorist attack like we had in Orlando
yah some go on TV give lip service but continue to give support to continue to send money to continue to allow these Imams preach their hate invite them into their mosque turn a bland eye to and not report when members in their family or Mosque becomes radicalized

 

Much as Christianity is as barbaric as Islam ever was.

The difference is that modern Christians deny the Old Testament.

And when an OT terrorists murders innocents, they, and you, have an easy escape.

"They weren't REAL Christians".

The No True Scotsman fallacy raises it's ugly head again.

 

It is obvious you don't get anything. It is a dastardly lie do claim that either Muslims or Christians are terrorists. Those people are not real observers of the faith, period. You sound like a non-theist, so of course you will blame religion, which of course is ludicrous. That precludes rationality.

As I said, you understand nothing, but I will give you this point, Islam is not the problem, nor is Christianity.

As you said, "UNDER THE GUISE" with only claims to try to absolve them from guilt. All people with a brain know this.

You are free to make your mistake along with those who make contentions that they are Christians and who are not.

You have free speech to say what YOU believe. You are not MORALLY free to denounce religion. That is an issue bigots don't like.

 

Another example of why ALL CHRISTIANS should vote Republican. The level of bigotry in your message is common to Democrats. A lot of atheists kill people too - but you so hate, are bigoted against Christians you are blinded by it. If they could, many Democrats would round up Christians and put them in Nazi holocaust death camps.

 

It is fact.

It is also rebuffed, and that is a fact.

No, but I HAVE been exposed to your fallacies.

 

Horse manure!