CIA agent attacked policeman in Moscow

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  1. Gaius_Marius

    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sounds very fishy. He must have had his credentials to get in then? Why was he attacked by the guard?
    I still can't believe that the US would allow Russian guards on their Embassy compound.

    Seems like Salon has run a story on it.
    http://www.salon.com/2016/07/07/russian_tv_shows_alleged_us_embassy_scuffle/

    They say the same as me... Nothing to identify this is real. The tv station refused to provide a source.
     
  2. MrFirst

    MrFirst Banned Past Donor

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    US guards are inside the embassy, police is outside. Americans asked Russian authorities to provide police protection for their embassy.

    Of course, I can't make blind ones to see. As far as I understand neither US side nor Russia disprove the case. As far as I understand the US side did not claim the video is faked. ;) Definitely, I can't force a blind one to see. ;) At least, anyone can use Google maps or Yandex to find the very same entrance of the US embassy.
     
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    Once again. Simple facts.

    Americans asked Russian authorities for police guard. It was policeman, not "FSB guard". CNN lies you. ;)

    Moscow police department recognized the policeman's behaviour proper.
     
  4. Gaius_Marius

    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Aren't they disputing it?
    It seems the story is starting to circulate in the US.
    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russian-tv-shows-alleged-us-embassy-scuffle-40410107
    I did find an entrance that looks like the one in the video. Not exactly the same. Why would a Russian guard jump a man who the Embassy opened the door for?
     
  5. MrFirst

    MrFirst Banned Past Donor

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    By the way, this is this entrance on Konyushkovskaya street:

    [​IMG][/URL][/IMG]
     
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    MrFirst Banned Past Donor

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    Sorry, another one.
    This entrance:

    [​IMG][/URL][/IMG]

    On Малый Конюшковский переулок.
     
  7. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Washington Post combined a situation that happened three years ago with the one that happened last month. If you would have read the article a little more carefully you would have realized it.
     
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    It looks like a back entrance. What puzzles me is why did the Americans say that the agent broke his shoulder when it is the most painful break a person can have. There is no way he would have been able to move, never the less reach the door with a break like that.

    Seems to me there is more to this than meets the eye, and that the agent was on some sort of mission. It's probably why he was dressed like that. Maybe he was even being followed, and they called the cop to tackle him. Who knows?

    As for the complaints about the American diplomats being harassed, yes they are. ..and I'm sure if the Kremlin had regime change freaks handing out bribes and interfering in our own elections our government would be harassing them as well.

    This doesn't mean though the Russians are committing all the crimes against the diplomats that are being attributed to them. I saw a video of an American diplomat coming from Maryland who was known for his subversive actions arrive in Russia's far east. It was obvious he was there to bribe and influence the elections so he was being followed and harassed by reporters, photographers, TV cameras, etc.

    Why it would make any State Department official mad. :roflol:
     
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    When the policeman tackled the diplomat/spy the American's shoulder first hit the corner of the brick wall causing the broken shoulder. To me it looked like he had something in his hand when the door opened and you got to remember he was pushing himself to the door with his feet and not the arm the a shoulder break would have affected.

    Having said that policeman was obviously just trying to do his job. Don't know if the diplomats have to show ID every time they go in or if there is electronic identifier & the incident had been caused by a flat battery.
     
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    You fascist Russian pigs attack another US citizens and see what happens.
     
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    Aww now the Russian trolls pretending to be American is justifying the harassment of US citizens by Russian fascists. Shocking.
     
  12. El Kabosh

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    Russian lies again....
    the Russian foreign ministry has put out a series of statements claiming that an undercover U.S. spy, posing as a diplomat, rushed the gate at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow’s city center and assaulted a Russian guard stationed outside the compound’s walls. State Department spokesman John Kirby said last week the Russian statements were “inaccurate,” but he declined to elaborate.

    ".....Kirby did acknowledge that the U.S. government has video of the incident. Two U.S. officials who have seen the video told me that it clearly shows the Russian FSB guard attacking the U.S. diplomat, not the other way around. The officials also said that the diplomat was on embassy compound property when the guard assaulted him. If true, that could mean the Russian guard violated the Vienna Convention on diplomatic relations."
     
  13. ArmySoldier

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    Please cite your sources that he is a known CIA agent so we may verify your claims.
     
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    If the Agent/Diplomat had something in his hand, then the possibility exists that he was being followed, and the guard might have been notified to tackle him and grab it. It would explain why the diplomat who is known to be a CIA agent rushed from the taxi to get into the embassy, and then when tackled tried desperately to get the arm that was holding it inside the embassy doors.

    I know there are mass operations going on in Russia to find out who is taking money from western sources and threatening Russia's security. Recently two top naval officers were released from the Northern fleet at Kaliningrad as well as fifty other officers because of some wrong connections they had. I also read that Vladimir Putin is reuniting the three Russian security agencies into one reminiscent of the KGB.
     
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    Still waiting for you to cite your sources about him being a known CIA agent as you stated. We must see these sources before we can verify your claims. Thanks!
     
  16. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I read in a Russian source that he is considered a CIA agent so I tried to find the source and came up with this ...which is quite interesting.

    The alleged incident is reported to have taken place in the early hours of Monday, June 6. The American diplomat was making his way to the front entrance of the US embassy complex, which is located in the Presnensky District in downtown Moscow.

    According to American sources, the diplomat was approached by an employee of the Russian Federal Security Service, the FSB, which regularly stations security personnel around the sizeable US embassy complex. The FSB claims that the guards are there to protect US diplomats, though it is common knowledge that the Russian agency, which is responsible for counterespionage, is primarily there to monitor activities in and around the US embassy.

    American sources claim that the diplomat presented the Russian guard with proof of identification when asked to do so. (An obvious lie) But he was then physically attacked and struck repeatedly by the FSB officer, which left him with several injuries, including a broken shoulder. According to The Washington Post, the diplomat managed to enter the embassy grounds and had to be flown out of the country for urgent medical treatment. He has not returned to Russia.

    The US government believes the attack was intentional. But what caused it? One theory entertained by The Washington Post is that the diplomat was in fact an officer of the Central Intelligence Agency working in Moscow under official cover, pretending to be a State Department employee. According to this theory, the FSB was chasing the American diplomat through the streets of Moscow after a spy operation that went awry. The Russians then tried unsuccessfully to prevent him from entering the US embassy, which constitutes American soil.

    https://intelnews.org/2016/07/01/01-1930/
     
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    Two problems here.

    1. Your link doesn't work.
    2. You have provided no proof, no credible sources anywhere close to saying he is a known CIA agent. All you are doing is by definition, speculating. Saying someone is a known anything requires proof. Hope I helped clear up your confusion.
     
  18. Jeannette

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    Here's the link again. It works for me.

    https://intelnews.org/2016/07/01/01-1930/

    As for credible information, do you mean you want the CIA to come out and say; 'yes he is a CIA agent'? Well I don't think you are going to get that. The best you can get is that the Russians consider him one, and if anyone should know it would be their intelligence agencies which are top notch.
     
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    You're not telling the truth, Jeannette. You stated he's a known CIA agent. Where is your proof? All you keep doing is citing speculation. If someone is a known CIA agent, then you must have proof. Pathetic attempt Jeannette. Bad day for the Kremlin.

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    You're not telling the truth, Jeannette. You stated he's a known CIA agent. Where is your proof? All you keep doing is citing speculation. If someone is a known CIA agent, then you must have proof. Pathetic attempt Jeannette. Bad day for the Kremlin.
     
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    He is a known CIA agent to the Russians and that is all that matters. So whether you accept it or not doesn't matter since it has nothing to do with our security, but the security of the Russian Federation.
     
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    Lol everyone is a CIA agent to the Russians. That doesn't mean anything when it comes to Truth. lol! Come on now.
     
  22. Jeannette

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    I have news for you, they probably are. Those suitcases with dollar bills can go pretty far.

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    Haha. Russia is hilarious. Just like Iran thinks everyone is an Israeli spy, the idiot Russians think everyone's a CIA agent. I love you guys, you're great entertainment. Oh wait, don't get too close, I might be CIA! lol
     
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