Will liberals start catering to the white working class vote now?

I was wondering since the election if liberals are going to change and adapt to reality. It seems that liberals agree they lost the white working class vote which is the reason they lost the election. So my question is will liberals become sensible and pander to real Americans more or will they continue to pander to illegals, non American immigrants and others and give the shaft to the working man?

 

No, they're just going to make a stronger coalition to win over the gop coalition. the white working class is obviously in the gop camp now, so why would the dems waste time trying to win it over? They'd have to put up their own version of trump to win them over, and that would alienate the other parts of the democratic coalition. What they'll likely do, is to cater to the republicans who don't like trump. neo-cons, free traders, never trumpers. That's what I hope they'll do anyways, i.e. move to the centre. Or, they'll just move to the far left and try to compete with their own version of populism, a la sanders (but probably not with sanders himself, because of his age). Having two even more extreme parties would be very bad though..

 

Hillary got more votes then Trump, we did lose a lot of the young voters that wanted Bernie... maybe next time we will run Bernie or Warren to make Trump a one term President

I think those dem voters will vote the rest of their lives though.. they learned a hard lesson with the Trump win

not voting means someone else decides for you..... and this election they decided on Trump

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No chance , they hate white Americans that vote R.

 

Ty for a good post.

I am confident that someone like Sanders would be a repeat of Obama. A lot of talk and hype but ultimately his supporters got (*)(*)(*)(*)ed.

I don't know what will happen but it seems the next election strategy put forward by the dems will surely be interesting.

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I agree. But these were former Obama voters. I wonder if that means anything to them.

 

Warren and Sanders have similar economic messages to Trump but they are a lot of empty talk. If Trump continues to follow through on his promises I am sure he will win a second term.

I don't know if this is true but I think I heard that Trump said Bernie Sanders would have been harder to defeat than Clinton.

Real wages have gone down with dems in control. What if they go up under Trump?

 

They hate the ones that vote D too.

Actually they pretty much hate everyone, including themselves.

 

Yes. It means now they know that voting for someone because of the color of his skin was the stupidest thing they've ever done.

That's why the "woman card" never got off the ground.

 

If they want to get back to their recent history, they need to get back to being for the working class.
That is what made them prominent and that is what made them not worth much.
No one wants to be for the working folks. R's never were, now the D's aren't either.

 

Real wages have gone down since the 1990s.
The boom, housing, was fueled by asset prices. Houses and stock market.

 

If you are "working class" and voted for a man who literally sits on throne made of gold thinking he is somehow going to help you, i wanna now who ties your shoes in the morning ?

Yeah, these are the guys who are going to help the "working class".

 

Donald Trump is sincere and has given tons of money to charity. Why wouldn't he want to help?

Do you believe Hilary Clinton and the dems care more?

We will see what happens at the end of Trumps term.

 

I agree, if you remember I supported Trump in the beginning.....

 

Yes, will they reverse what the Clintons had a hand in creating? What they created was changing that party that had stood up for and represented working people, the common man, into a party of serving only the upper middle class and the upper class, by joining the GOP in neoliberalism.

I want to see the democratic party become democratic again, but also to move back to what they once were, Progressive, and move away from modern liberalism, which is SJW nonsense, neoliberalism in economics and neocons in foreign policy. They need to take the lead from sanders, and replace the neoliberals like Schumer, Pelosi, with old time progressives, the progressives with common sense who will stand up for and represent the common man again. Which means being for immigration, but not illegal immigration which depresses wages in certain sectors for people like the Koch boys. Which means not allowing business to use HB1s in order to get in cheap labor, while laying off our own people once we train the immigrants.

For I do not believe trump will be successful in his anti open borders free trade ideas. For the GOP gave us free trade, and Clinton signed it as he turned his back on the common man. So he could crawl up to the feeding troughs the GOPhers were getting campaign donations from, and owe them favors for their money. Since that time, democrats, like Hillary supporters forgot what the democratic party of FDR was all about. These supporters could not care less about working people. They are not that different from the GOP voters who voted against the interests of working people for years.

So, the GOP will fight trump on anything that helps out working or middle class people, and we cannot expect the GOP to change much at all. If the common man is to be represented again, the dems will have to do it. Whether they will return to real deal economic progressivism is the question, for they have sold out to the banking cabal and the MNCs who finance their campaigns. Yet the winds of change is blowing, against treasonous neoliberalism, not only here but in Europe as well. Hopefully it will turn into a gale if and when the dems go back to their roots, and kick out the modern liberal, SJW, neoliberal neocons that have corrupted this party.

 

Nope, they think we are a basket of deplorables....

 

It's a shame really. So much wasted time.

 

When you say you are for immigration, how many immigrants are you talking about?

I respected the progressives of the past in the 1920s era. They passed the 1924 immigration act which was brilliant. But those progressives are gone and have been replaced with the hate America progressive types who care more about themselves and their careers and illegal immigrants. IT makes no sense.

You made an interesting assessment. I will be reading your stuff from now on.

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That's why I voted against Hillary. She does hate whites and normal people as revealed by John Podestas emails.

 

I do think Clinton ignored the white middle class in her campaign and that may have resulted directly in the loss of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. Trump won the middle class vote 50-46 over Clinton, although the exit polls do not break it down via race, just one lump altogether as middle class. What stands out is the union household vote which could add another question, are the democrats losing the union vote? Clinton did win the union household vote, 51-43 with 6% going to third party candidates. She won by 8 points. But in 2012, Obama won the union household by 18 points, 58-40 with 2% going to third party candidates. That is a whopping ten point difference. The union vote could have been the difference in winning or losing those three states I mentioned. Hillary barely garnered a majority of union households at 51%.

 

They have always catered to everyone including the white working class. Hillary just didn't bring the right arguments. Your racist view is disgusting.

 

To set you straight, I only reiterated what I heard from liberal commentators that they lost the working class white vote. Its nice to know that you think that is racist.

What is right about hillarys arguments that we need to bring in more Muslim refugees, more non-white immigrants and have more insane trade deals to send their jobs to Mexico and China?

 

Whether you love Steve Bannon or hate him, he was totally right on his assessment just like you are.

 

All dues respect, but Donald Trump has not done anything in his entire life that wasn't about himself.

I was all about changing the culture of Washington. It IS a cesspool, but the more I watched Trump, the more I knew he wasn't about change, he was about himself. His run for President was nothing more than an ego trip. And the more I saw and heard from Trump, the more I knew he didn't have the temperament, or the ability to be a true leader of change because he cant get away from his own ego long enough. You only have to look at his transition team, to know that the change he is proposing will do nothing but divide the nation.

I will give Trump a chance, but I honestly think he will do nothing but divide. I do find it amazing that somehow during the election those on the right saw him as a "champion of the working man", when he has spent his entire life taking advantage of the working man because, as he said in the debates, he "took advantage" of a system that allowed him too. So if he was "allowed to" take advantage" then, what do you think he will do when he gets to make the rules ? Seriously !

Were talking about a man who sits in chairs literally made of gold, and then tells you he is "a blue collar Billionaire"......

And yes, if my choice is Donald Trump or Hillary, YES, I think Hillary is the better choice. But as I said earlier, Im willing to give him a chance and hope to hell he surprises me so I can admit I was wrong

 

Oh, I see what your problem is. You don't comprehend what you read so you end up with a few words from what you read all tangled up with your own biases. I quoted and commented. But having lost the working class vote doesn't = racism. That's nutz. And you can't "know" what I think because I never suggested even remotely that it was racist to lose the vote.

Don't worry yourself; don't try to figure it out. Just go away knowing you were all screwed up and remain so, -possibly intentionally.

 

No worries. I enjoy arguing with people who have different viewpoints.

But then why would you vote for a status quo elitist politician like Hillary?

I don't disagree with you on that. Its partly the reason I voted for him. Trumps ego means he needs to be loved by the people. And to be loved by the people means he must do great things for the people.

The nation is more divided than ever under Obama. Trump only wants to reduce legal immigration and fix illegal immigration and liberals are freaking out. Whether it divides us or not, these things need to be addressed and the majority of people want them addressed.

I think its unrealistic to say he should unite us by ignoring key issues that need to be fixed.

What do you want him to do?

Its sounds good to say that we have to be united but its easier said than done.

I have to admit, Hillary was the first presidential nominee I was actually sort of afraid of because she was quoted as saying she wanted ban guns. Her associations were downright scary with the likely pedophile Satanist John Podesta, Muslim Brotherhood etc. etc. I don't know if this is true but someone told me that HIllary wanted to ban the alternative media that I read everyday. If she did that and succeeded I would probably (*)(*)(*)(*) of this country. I never even thought about this stuff happening under Obama.

Me too.

I'm glad you are giving him a chance. I never supported Obama, but I gave him a chance too.

 

Sure. and this is the new face of the Democrat party: