Will liberals start catering to the white working class vote now?

They would be wise to move in a Bernie Sanders direction. They need to improve their appeal to working class Americans of all skin tones (and stop insulting half of the electorate in the process) and field better candidates to show us they mean business. They need to get away from globalist nonsense and high ideals far removed from the reality of life in America.

 

Dems are doing some soul searching. They are desperately trying to figure out how to win back whites while keeping their lefty ideology.....prolly not gonna happen.

 

The US accounts for about 18% of China's exports.

If you look at the following list, you will find that China's exports to Asian nations FAR exceed their exports to the US.

http://www.worldstopexports.com/chinas-top-import-partners/

 

And at one time, there was a point to that exclusion. After all, that particular sector had ridden roughshod over everyone else for some time. Unfortunately for the ideological leftist, that was last century. The continued flogging of this dead horse has, IMO, been THE reason for their failure. They are simply so far out of touch that they cannot be considered reliable potential leaders.

 

The Democrats had better because some of those working class folks just showed they're willing to elect anybody who comes along and pretends they want to help them, even a rich elite chronically dishonest businessman who personally benefits from those jobs not being here in America.

 

Yes, for sure in my dreams. I'm a die hard old leftist, after all.

Identity politics is what it sounds like. If you can't extract sufficient meaning from that, I recommend Wiki.

 

you must not know what it means then as it doesn't describe the left

 

Very hard to appeal to the Sanders Socialism, tax the rich, and give free stuff to everyone from anywhere crowd

AND

at the same time appeal to the GOP elite, wealthly investor, wants Corporations running the Government and making tax loop holes for the Elites crowd.

At the same time.

Those two groups are natural opposites and opponents.

On top of that, both are the type to gravitates to those in power, and the power itself, like a moth to a flame, reguardless of who has it, and right now, that's Trump.

I suspect we're going to just going to get a large pile of burned moths.

There will always be a Working Man's Political Party, but the "Democratic Party" Brand is cooked, done, finished, over, dead, dead, dead!

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And you also see the US is China's largest customer.

So, what is your point? If the US is not part of the TPP, it is the end of the world as we know it. I doubt that.

 

The problem is that they have separated the country into so many special interest voting blocks like blacks, gays, women, illegal immigrants, etc. etc. etc. that to try to include white men would result in nobody having any privilege, thus no common enemy.

They need a group of people to disciminate against, but who if it won't be white men? I guess they could discriminate against blacks again, or maybe women. They could discriminate against illegal aliens, but that's the republican thing.

who can they discriminate against?

 

High ideals which can only be supported and afforded by the failure-proof ultra rich. High ideals which ARE only supported by the failure-proof ultra rich. People trying to survive cannot be other than deeply offended by such trivial concerns. And they are entirely trivial, when measured against physical survival.

 

I asked that question to emphasize that TPP would be more sensitive to OUR issues than TPP would be were we not a part of it. And, that would include issues of currency, dumping, worker conditions and other factors that affect competition.

I don't really like the "cheap stuff cheaper" argument as capitalism pushes for maximizing profit, not quality, and there isn't any reason to believe China hasn't figured out capitalism. It hits me as chauvinistic.

Given that the majority of China's exports go to Asia, it might be that companies in China are focused on meeting some other competitive advantages that are more profitable. Also, maybe not in your example, but it could be there are cases that the quality we experience in the US is the quality that US corporations are demanding of their imports from China.

 

They were also counting on college educated whites, who disappointed them this election. The gender card didn't win them the large margins they were expecting.

 

false dichotomy. Fail

 

Ja. They fail miserably to be the party of the working class, something they are supposed to be. I suppose they've been taking that for granted lately and now it's cost them.

 

Probably not, the working class white vote is still viewed as an inherently evil group of people capable of nothing but racism and bigotry. They have no interest in us deplorables. They will likely just continue pandering to the ignorance and emotion of minorities with promises of free money, and pretend that they are somehow the victims of us evil white folk. My prediction.

 

Again, there was a time when it was meet to 'discriminate' against the power holders (white men), but they are no longer the enemy. They haven't been for some time ... probably at least a generation. The disconnect that the ideologue leftist has with the now, is profound.

The irony being that they regard themselves as progressive, yet haven't managed (at all) to keep up with the changing shape of the working classes, and the world in general. They have become, almost literally, the time warp party. Once the job of the 'living in the past .. can't deal with change' conservative.

 

Perfectly True!
Any people who voted for Hillary who were under the assumption that they were voting Democrat have finally woken up - thanks to the hatred and bigotry so out in the open now from the alt-left.
I know many Democrats who have declared they are leaving the party forever.

The democrats used to think they were educated and enlightened, then discovered the party is filled with ignorant and subversive bigots. Everything on the left is a cult.

Democrats may be liberal minded - but they will not stand for a coup.

 

You may be right. They won't disappear, but they may be subsumed by a third option. The Bernie option maybe?. Less about identity, and more about resources.

 

you can only do so much when republicans control Congress.... unless it's a tax cuts for the rich (that is letting them keep more of their own money) , tax cuts for the working class have to be payed for

 

It seems their "Basket of Deportables" votes did not help either.

 

Yes. We need to have trade relations based on agreements that we can work together to improve.

We aren't going to win all those agreements. We don't own the world.

More importantly, I think, we have to recognize where our competitive advantage lies, and work to promote those directions here in the US.

We're not going to compete with 3rd world nations in conveyor belt labor. In fact, the rest of the world has caught up in manufacturing.

We need to be focused on where WE have an advantage. We still have an advantage in high tech, innovation, information, etc.

And, those areas require college - just like our manufacturing boom required high school, and not the 8th grade education that was all that was required for our early agriculture that came before manufacturing.


We may continue to be good at manufacturing, but that just isn't where our advantage is going to be, and trying to hang onto that is probably necessary, but it isn't a winning strategy.

Other nations will eat our future for lunch as we pretend that we can leave our kids undereducated while Germany, Japan and others ensure that THEIR kids have college level education.

 

oh I think it help republicans very much, without the deplorables voting for Trump, he would of lost

 

what's a deplorable ?

 

This is a mistaken perception. If we were losing manufacturing jobs to other countries then our manufacturing jobs per capita would go down and their manufacturing jobs per capita increase. That hasn't been the case. Instead the number of manufacturing jobs per capita have declined world-wide by about 40% since 1970 including the United States. The jobs have been replaced by automation and they just don't exist anymore. I spent my professional career in manufacturing with most of it as one of the top manufacturing engineers in aerospace and one of my job roles was to replace human labor with automation. Throughout my career I watched tube bending go from a manual operator to a CNC bending machine. Welding operations were automated. Assembly operations were replaced with high speed machining. The Boeing 787 fuselage and wings are made of graphic composites using automation eliminating countless man-hours of labor required for aluminum aircraft. The work is gone and will not return and every day more manufacturing jobs are automated because the cost of labor is high enough to make the automation cost effective.

People mistakenly believe the key is the actual manufacturing job when over half the money is in distribution and sales of the product. They also think it would change our economy but with the manufacture of durable and non-durable goods employing less than 4% of the workers even if we increased that by 50% it wouldn't matter because we'd still be below 6% and that's insignificant and won't do anything for the US economy.

Yes, we do lead in many new technology development and sometimes those products are produced commercially overseas but items like solar panels are produced by an automated process and there are very few jobs associated with them.

People discuss a tariff but all that does is raise the cost of living and reduce demand. It doesn't create any jobs here because the higher costs reduce the demand, the foreign manufacturer already has the market, and a US company would use automation to produce the product anyway. Tariffs hurt the US consumer and, because they're reciprocated, the also reduce US exports costing us jobs. They've been proven to be harmful so many times that it's amazing that anyone even considers them anymore.

Manufacturing isn't the key because it's not the problem. The problem is under-compensation for service sector jobs. The reason there is under-compensation for service sector jobs is because the downward pressure of the market on compensation is unopposed today. In the 1950's and 1960's the unions were strong because they had organized crime (the Mafia) behind them and they provided the upward force on compensation to balance the downward force of the market. Two things happened starting in the early 1960's and then into the 1970's. First was a crackdown by the federal government on organized crime in the unions and it was very successful. This act alone diminished the power of the unions and to keep the balance the government had to provide more lawful power to the unions. That didn't happen and instead a campaign was started by the Republican Party to further reduce the power of the unions and they nefariously claimed it was to fight the "corruption of organized crime" that had already been eliminated previously. The unions became so weak by the end of the 1970's and into the 1980's that people stopped supporting them. The final nail in the coffin was probably the "right to work laws" that effectively violated the law of contracts because a union no longer had the ability to voluntarily negotiate a closed shop with the enterprise.

Underlying this whole problem is that while the market works exceptionally well for competing enterprises it doesn't work for labor. An enterprise that cannot operate at a profit based upon the market simply stops existing. The person can't stop existing and they are forced to accept compensation below what it costs for them to live. They're forced by the coercion inherent in a society based solely upon commerce to accept compensation for less than was the value of labor is worth.

Labor based upon the laws of nature for the survival of the species is always equal to or greater than the cost of "support and comfort" for the worker. This is why one thing that FDR said (and perhaps the only thing I agree with FDR on) is absolutely correct.

“No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By living wages, I mean more than a bare subsistence level — I mean the wages of a decent living.” President Franklin Delano Roosevelt 1933, Statement on National Industrial Recovery Act.

In spite of Republican nonsense every competently run enterprise can pay a "living wage" and still earn a profit and it would actually expand the US economy without causing any significant increase in the cost of living. The only reason this can't be done right now is that the top 1% of income households are receiving over 20% of all the income in the United States based upon Republican economic policies. These are household that spend the lowest percentage of income on goods and services and that depresses the economy that revolves around producing and selling goods and services. Our GDP growth rate is low because too much money is going to the wealthy that don't spend it on goods and services and that's what the GDP measures.

We can't blame our economic woes on China, the Mexicans, or even the Democrats. We only have one place to lay the blame and that's at the doorstep of the Republican economic policies going back to Richard Nixon. Republicans will never admit that so they blame everyone and everything else but unless we dump the Republican economic agenda our economy will never get better and the Republicans will continue to blame everyone and everything else.

This is not an endorsement for the Democrats because they only address symptoms of the problems and that doesn't fix the problem. We have a patient with a brain tumor and Democrats give the patient pain killers and the patient dies. Republicans ignore the brain tumor and the pain because the top 1% make money off of selling the body parts.