Christian/Atheist Compromise

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  1. mbk734

    mbk734 Well-Known Member

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    Oh you're 100% certain?? Please enlighten us. I'm sure you're right and 75% of the world is wrong.
     
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    I too am agnostic/atheist, though I was born into a Catholic family and raised in a Baptist church and school.

    I began seriously questioning my faith in my early 20's. I started with a deep dive into the origins of the creation of the Bible and discovered much, if not most of the Bible to be reliant exclusively on eyewitness testimony, retold over and over again, until someone penned it, and wrote it over and over again. If anything, it proved to me if there was indeed any faith, it's in believing that each one of the people involved in retelling and rewriting the gospels was infallible, and that is simply not so. Even my moniker, Lucifer, is testament to one of the many hundreds of errors in translation, as the name Lucifer is distinctly Latin, not Greek, or Aramaic.

    After exploring many religions, I came to the conclusion that religion is in essence the first form of organized government. That is its original function, but it also served a secondary function which is to satiate the fear of the unknown. In my opinion, science satiates that fear far better than religion, however religion is so deeply ingrained in culture that it represents far more than just answers.

    I admit that when I was younger, I was your typical militant atheist, but now as I get older, I see the value religion has for some. I think we as a species do have an inherent need for some sort of spiritual connection. There are a few theories out there to explain why we evolved with this "god part" of the brain, but in practical terms, some people need that comfort. I cannot fault them for that if it inspires and enriches their lives. The flip side however for me is to be an outspoken advocate when I see religion being misused. I have seen and lost friends to cults who really do brainwash their followers. I believe most religions can easily be misused and many are only a few steps away from becoming a cult.
     
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    Militant atheist is true yet. I follow USA and Russia in militaries president Trump for USA.
     
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    Bible are new Believe for me if I trust in Evangelic Church and read the bible with Jesus Christ and name of God.
     
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    Bible are new Believe but I trust in my conflict in home and personnal room. And job Place.
     
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    Tobacco and Snus is two great thing could happen.
     
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    You betcher sweet bippy I am.

    That's only possible with those who desire enlightenment...

    ...and something tells me that's just not you.
     
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    OK, you have faith. If you were faced with the choice of walking into an arena where you would be eaten alive by lions or renouncing your faith and living a comfortable life would you walk into the arena?

    Since you have faith why can't you command a tree to uproot itself and to jump into the sea and have it obey as Jesus said you can do if you have faith?
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    God has given me faith to do remarkable things. God is not mine to USE. He is mine to serve. You read scripture as if it is there to serve your own ideas. You Mock as evidenced by the name above your avatar. It drives you.
     
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    The evidence is that not one has ever believed in Jesus enough to do what he said people with faith could do. A lot of people have died thinking that they had faith but people love dying for all kinds of causes. It's one of our favorite things to do. If you walk outside right now and command the nearest tree to uproot itself and to jump into the sea without any outside help and if it does as you command it to you will be the only person in the history of the world to have ever had faith in Jesus. He said you can do it. So do it. Prove your faith right now or admit that you don't have any faith in Jesus. Don't feel bad because no one else has ever had any faith in him either.

    Luke 17:6 (NKJV) = "So the Lord said, “If you have faith as a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be pulled up by the roots and be planted in the sea,’ and it would obey you."

    Now remember, Jesus only came to the Jews. He didn't give squat about the Gentiles. Maybe that's why Gentile Christians can't do it?
     
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    Atheism is smart ideology when other belivers want to take my faith to him Before i'm faith on my God but this I never wanted to happen for my conflict so Atheism is only way to celebrate a victim. Stupid far from people how will take my faith on God and he is just an Jesuit and wanted same with me to trust in Jesus Christ even this is old news from 9-10 ages back this is false alarm. I prefers to was Atheist.

    Small believing things are we in forums we tell about anything it's for me small believing and my eat out voice are small eating.

    I likely food more than this thing even I am old now.
     
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    "God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER would believe on Him shall not perish but have everlasting life."
    That sentence was said by a Jew and recorded by a Jew. What is there about that you don't understand? That is the trouble I have with those intent on "mocking". They seek out certain scriptures to prove their own opinion instead of seeking the WORD of God in it's entirety. Wouldn't you just be much better off just to remain godless and talk about your own precepts? You don't need to try and burn everyone elses house down in order to make yours look presentable!:nod:
     
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    I has hating Swedish and Finnish and Nordic asa Gods 1 pieces left not the name of Lord in Swedish called Herren but I have also hated Jesus Christ for it's him type of voices I hear Close to my Breathe. I never accept eat out. But nobody of Gods do nothing against eat out so I can hate them all even Islam's Allah. Buddha I never can hate and English name of God Before Buddha reaction's just me but I've problem or does nobody of my hating of Gods exist but maybe they Think i has problem with evil people from a distance they know I eat food and lisen to Musics I love not my second voice problem when I relax to Musics I Think is good and relaxing.
     
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    I am an atheist, and of course I subscribe to the fact there may be a God, but I believe the chances are so minuscule it's barely worth entertaining the idea, and to be honest, even if there was a God(s), I still wouldn't care, let alone obey.

    Not to mention the chances of there being a God as described in the modern-day Bible is even slimmer.
     
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    This is I likely. Thanks very much. But I Think America need a God if he is a warrior God.
     
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    What?
    Again, what?
     
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    I liked you post.

    America need a God if he is warrior.
     
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    Prove that your house is real. Do what Jesus said a believer can do and command a tree to uproot itself and to jump into the sea without any outside help. If you can't do it then admit that you don't have any faith in Jesus.
     
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    Are you sure about that? Jesus said in Matthew 23:33 (ERV) = “You are snakes! You are from a family of poisonous snakes! You will not escape God. You will all be judged guilty and go to hell!"
     
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    You don't even quote scripture close to the way it is written. Of course Jesus, in that passage, was speaking to the Jewish sect known as Pharisees that were doing exactly as you do....interpreting the scripture to their own advantage.

    Tell you what. Why don't you just distance yourself from a "faith" you actually know little about. Instead of belittling and putting down what others believe, why don't you tell everyone here what you are for????
    Is it that you are afraid someone like yourself will come and mock what you stand FOR??? That's just it. I don't think you stand FOR anything.
     
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    Contrary to what you seem to thin, the world does not center around you. God is not here to entertain you.
     
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    if one knows why would one deny it? just because you don't know, doesn't mean no one else knows, correct? therefore there is no compromise if someone knows that there is a Living God who is Creator and Judge.

    to know is to experience, therefore one must ask God for the verification that would let you know (experience) the fact that God exists. God didn't create mankind so that mankind can't know Him, it just doesn't make sense, but you are required to seek Him and acknowledge Him should He answer or grant your request.
     
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    I guess we'll find out for sure when we die! I predict death is an eternal oblivion of nothingness. What could be more peaceful than that?
     
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    Who's the Swedish guy pulling the other guy out of the water?
     
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    So we have to first 'acknowledge' (believe), before we can believe?

    If you regard that as reasonable, then I have a bridge and a couple of small nations to sell you.

    bolding mine
     
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