Christian/Atheist Compromise

I am an atheist but I will admit there is a 1% chance of God existing if Christians will admit there is a 1% chance there is no God. Therefore, we'd both be agnostics and we can have a hug. Nobody really knows anyways.

 

I am an agnostic.

I do not know if gods exist or not;
I see no reason to suspect gods CANNOT EXIST...that the existence of gods is impossible;
I see no reason to suspect that gods MUST EXIST...that gods are needed to explain existence;
I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction...

...so I don't.

Not sure where you got that 1% stuff from...but for certain we can agree that neither of us knows if any gods exist.

 

there is no chance there is a God as described in the bible

 

If you dig into it, there is far more evidence on the atheist's point of view. I've looked at both sides objectively for a long time.

 

As much as I hate to make guesses in this area...if I were forced to guess...

I say there is no more unambiguous evidence that there are no gods...than there is unambiguous evidence that there are gods.

In fact, I say there is NO unambiguous evidence that there are gods...and NO unambiguous evidence that there are no gods.

But if you want to think there is only a 1% chance there are gods...and if some others want to think there is only a 1% chance there are no gods...

...fine with me.

We can all get along anyway.

 

I am an atheist, but was raised with the teachings of Christ, and I firmly believe the teachings are a good role model.
What makes me want to barf are the "christians" like Mike Pence and Pat Roberson who are phony and try to lure decent people into supporting them.

I think many people only say they believe in god because:
1) They were told Atheists are bad - communists.
2) they are afraid of hell, and want to hedge their bets.

People are religious because they were brought up that way.
I asked myself if I would have come up with "belief" on my own, if I hadn't been brought up that way, and my answer was "No".

There is no god. Why would there be? Why would a god have made us? For amusement?

 

I, too, was raised a Christian...a Catholic, actually.

While I think most religion is superstition gone ape, I tend to think that the teachings attributed to Jesus (whether his thoughts or the thoughts of others) are very worthwhile.

Love for one's fellow human...for the other animals with which we share the planet...and for the planet itself seem important to me.

Consideration for others...and the kind of sharing that Jesus preached about...are reasonable thoughts upon which to build a personal moral philosophy.

 

Exactly the same here.
I was taught when it was in Latin.
Right before the first collection, in our largely Italian congregation, the priest would turn and say, "Domenic, go frisk 'em." (dominus vobiscum)

"It is as easy for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven as it is for a camel to pass thru the eye of a needle" - Pence and Robertson and the GOP in general - forget that one....

 

I think this is an EXTREMELY important distinction that you raise

Even if one grants that creator god may exist.... there is no obvious reason that this god has anything to do with the capricious, genocidal god of the Bible. I see no logical reason that the creator of the universe would obsess about human sexual behavior, or human dietary habits, or human beliefs, or whether humans remove their foreskins.

 

The word "G-d" is subject to definition and
many Christians would state that my variation of belief in a G-d
who learned and evolved and conducted trillions of experiments over
infinite time in the past..........
is heretical.

www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

 

Vet...I had the honor of one time serving Mass in St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican. The chaplain on my base got permission...and took a group of about 20 of us on a retreat to Rome. After serving Mass...we went to a general audience with Pius XII at Castel Gondolfo.

Even though I am no longer religious...it is a significant remembrance...as you can well imagine. I also served Mass as an acolyte for the Catholic Cardinal Primate of England.

I was a good Catholic at that time. Now I like to think of myself as a good agnostic.

 

I agree in spades...with you and Fresh Air on this.

 

Jesus believed that brothers should marry their widowed sister-in-laws and that it is a good idea to cut off body part and to gouge out one's eyes to keep from sinning. He said that people should hate their own families, leave them, and follow him. That sounds like a very bad role model, maybe something a group like ISIS would preach.

 

There will always be scoundrels and opportunists to take whatever people believe into a bad place.
Do not give them the credit that they aren't due.
Pat Robertson does not deserve to speak for Jesus, and neither does Mike Spence.

 

I am Christian atheist.

Nobody has proof there is any Gods.

My voices eating from a distance.

Are just big stupid how happen just me.

I can eat alone my great food time.

I am likely food more than all Poles.

 

Why does it always HAVE to be "I believe in a god" or I don't believe in a god"...????


Where is the rule that say you have to partake in this ridiculous debate...

NO one ever took up my debate on whether doofustinkerwinkers existed....why should I have to prove they exist and why should anyone have to prove they don't exist...yes, doofustinkerwinkers is an imaginary word describing an imaginary creature that a human made up just like the word "god".

 

I am a "follower of Jesus". We can agree that all human beings are of great value. My faith definitely confirms that and if I don't believe that, my faith has no value. That belief is in no way a threat to you, however, in my belief, that is why my Savior died for us all. My faith is secure and that is what it is. Your faith too, in that there is no God or afterlife can be secure if that is what you believe. Those that just don't know.....well they just don't choose to deeply contemplate, and that is o.k. We've all been there.

 

That word you came up with is demeaning to those of faith. As you know, so is the word "imaginary". I think you know, and have provided an example of where the disrespect begins.

 

Who saved Middle Earth in LOTR? It wasn't Frodo, it was Gollum!
He bit off Frodo's ring finger with the ring on it, then accidentally toppled into the volcano, destroying the ring in the flames.
Frodo said- "Do you remember Gandalf's words: 'Even Gollum may have something yet to do'? But for him I could not have destroyed the Ring" (Return of the King, book VI ch 3)

Likewise, maybe atheists fit into God's plan somewhere..-

 

There is another somewhat suspect reason some people may say they believe in God. Simple HABIT. Some folks haven't given any of this topic a moment's mature thought in a decade or more. They don't believe in God. They believe replying to any questions requiring deep soul searching or abstract thought as dismissively as possible to keep them from becoming a distraction from their immediate and practical needs .

 

you have no idea what I know....I do know that you totally missed my point. Anyone can make something up ...doesn't mean everyone has to be labeled as to whether they believe it or not.

 

The use of imaginary in this context is appropriate and accurate unless you can be the very first person in history to show otherwise. Thus any "Demeaning" would be the result of hypersensitivity creating feelings of persecution.

 

I think many people believe in god because:

1. They have been indoctrinated since very early childhood that (their parent's) god is God.

 

To me, this original post is a sincere and honest post. I have a good atheist friend. Our relationship is one of mutual respect. However I marvel at how I could predict with ease that this would turn into a bunch of mockers trying to demean those of us that walk in our faith as having "imaginary friends": etc. That would be akin to a Christian telling unbelievers they are destined for hell and there's no turning back. Jesus never does that and neither would I. This thread does prove my point.

 

If I called myself an agnostic I'd be a liar.

What the hell for?

A comforting conceit, no doubt.