Only a fool would try to deprive working men and women of their right to join the union of their cho

You just claimed to know the specifics, now you need me to give you the specifics? Which one is it?

". That's a concession FORCED on union BY management"

That's not at all true. I've negotiated higher wages while working as a temp employee. It wasn't a significant difference but it was a negotiation that ended in additional pay for me.

 

This will be a big surprise to the unions, who exist in part to keep this from happening.

 

Shouldn't be a surprise; anyone can be fired for just cause; however if you are union, the company has the burden of proof.

 

Republican presidents after? Haha. There's only been one and he has just been in office for months.

 

"after them" not "after him".

 

To all these people that claim unions lose jobs to China let's look at the reality.
Apple. No union. Now manufactures in China.
Dell. No union. Now manufactures in China.
Ford. Union. Does not manufacture in China.
General Motors. Union. Does not manufacture in China despite being the largest seller of cars in China.
Those are four very large examples. Yes, you can find some small ones but the reality is that strong unions prevent the loss of good jobs to China.

 

Especially if they have langauge in their labor agreements which prohibit the sub-contracting of work outside of country and/or to any business not covered by the labor agreement.

 

Government Employees are part of the Civil Service system, so you really didn't adequately scratch the service. Let me put it a different way, if you had to choose between collective bargaining or maintaining the civil service act, which would you choose?

 

Collective bargaining by all means.

 

So now its blue collar workers are too stupid for their own good?

 

So they ban freedom of speech and force people into unions into which they do njt want to belong and do jkt allow them to bargain their own wages.

Sorry not for me.

 

Ironic since Civil Service gives guaranteed wage/benefits and a more cumbersome termination process should the worker avail themselves of it than collective bargaining.

 

The only way a union can prevent the loss of a job to China (or wherever) is convince its membership to lower their wages in an attempt to remain competitive.

 

I can represent myself thank you very much and the last thing I want is to have my advancement and compensation held down by a stupid union contract. Here's what I think a cobtract goes bith ways how abiut the contract saying you can't quit unless there is just cause nor can you seek higher wages by going to work somewhere else?

You really don't understand the difference between a floor sweeper or machine operator and the CEO? And I don't condemn unions because of what I "hear" it is because what I experience along with the other 95% of the private workforce.

 

FDR, George Meaney, Mayor LaGuardia all oppose collective bargaining for government employees.

 

How about if you are sleeping in the job while operating dangerous ane expensive equipment. That just cause?

 

Or have language inserted into the contract with prohibits sub-contracting out the work. If they were to lower their wages to match those in China, they might as well resign since they'd be unable to live on the wages Chinese workers make.

 

That would be a weak union. A healthy one let's management know what the consequences of opening a non-union shop in China would be. It doesn't have to be a race to the bottom as the right to work in China would have you believe. That's really what they should call themselves or right to work like a Chinese. That's right, live at the factory and see your families only on special occasions. The uber rich are so hoping for that so they can sew upball the wealth. Of course then well get single payer health care, gotta keep the livestock healthy.

 

Such as...?

 

Only a dimwit would force workers to join a union that the workers would rather not join.

 

Once the uneducated blue-collar types stop voting for, and contributing to the the campaigns of, Democrats, you'll see agreement on that point from the left.

 

Provided Trump doesn't screw the pooch more, he's already got those Blue collar voters

 

Under federal law you cannot be compelled to join a labor union. Therefore it's strictly voluntary.

 

No.

No.

No. Why don't you look into it first before spreading speculation as "fact"?

 

According to you, there are laws banning anti union activity. How is that not banning speech?

Unions require everyone to be on the same scale so he is correct, you cannot individually negotiate your own compensation.