Cocky Democrat Stumped By Dinesh D'Souza Over Morality Of Climate Change

What Americans miss all the time, is that there are other humans all over the globe. They must have energy to grow food, to live the basic life. We think we are smug claiming we control climate, but these people must have things produced by energy, just to get along.

We want to control climate? Show us all how. How can we control climate and not keep India and Pakistan and Afghanistan and most of Africa and a large part of South America down?

Energy from fossil fuels is very compact. And dense with energy.

 

Who claims "we control climate"?

As for your first two sentences, I would point out that the very form of the Paris accord comes from the clear understanding of what you claim America misses.

So, who in America are you talking about?

Is this another "bash Trump for his ignotrnce" thread?

 

Well, by blaming humans for climate, the we is the Paris accords mobs and many of our own Government. Supposedly we humans know how we can control climate.

America does not mind at all depriving much of the rest of the world energy to the effect they can become prosperous.

 

Affect, not control. Who says "control"?

Tell me who you think America is depriving. Careful with this - Paris plans are made by each country for themselves, and there isn't any provision for enforcement.

But, please do answer. Surely you have something more than some congressman flubbing a question.

 

You affect the speed of your car by shoving down the gas pedal. Were I to affect climate, I sure would know all about it. Essentially affect stands for control.
Many say control. They blame me and all humans.
The unimproved nations get hurt. We want them to be deprived of energy. Fossil fuel energy is the most compact and easy to get of all energy.

 

- no, there are multiple drivers and they don't all pull in the same direction. We don't have control, but we can make a differences.

- this is just plain false. Nations make their own goals. The goals don't have to show reduction nor do they have to impact needs for growth. China is a prime example.

And, so is India.

 

We can't make a difference over things we do not control.

 

You can slow your car before an unavoidable crash.

There are any number of examples of humans improving outcomes by working to reduce the impact of events they can not control.

 

What is your comment on the fact that WillReadmore pointed out that what you claimed about the Paris accords was false?

 

Maybe you should watch the linked video (in post #1). It answers your questions.

The summary answer is that people pushing AGW want to control energy production and that hurts the poor countries of the world. D'souza gives a great but long explanation in the video.

 

There is no evidence of the claim made by the speaker in the video that India is required to damage it's economy or set any specific goal. India sets any and all goals for India. There is no international mechanism of enforcement in the Paris accord that could be brought against India should they be unable to meet the goals they set. And, there are procedures for those who determine they can not meet the goals they set, but don't want to simply leave the Paris accord - which they can do as Trump points out.

And, since you are stepping in for that, please provide evidence of your ridiculous claim of some sort of global conspiracy.

It is time to show such evidence or back off the claim.

 

I had not mentioned the Paris accords and was not, still am not, clear on what he was trying to say.

 

Maybe Trump gets it. That the goals are voluntary and the participating nations are self enforcing. There is no need to cause disruptions to global climates merely over the notion man controls climate. We got early snow falls here in CA. I don't mind snow, but why not wait until late fall or early winter? Why snows in Summer?

 

The speaker in the cited vid made a major claim that is obviously false, as demonstrated by the Paris Accord which is the international treaty on action against climate change.

And, so far you have not defended or even botheted to suport the existence of your conspiracy theory.

 

Keep talking maybe by the end of the week, me and others will understand the nature of your accusations.

 

The Paris accord has nothing to do with the video. Clearly you did not watch the video. I wrote absolutely nothing about any conspiracy. Get up to speed before posting.

Your post is an example of why the AGW crowd has lost the argument - you don't bother to listen to people, you don't bother to get all the facts (even when all you have to do is watch a short video), and so you dismiss people who don't agree with you.

 

We have a poster putting my chestnuts into the fire who seems to me to have ignored the message of D'Souza entirely. He wants me to focus on the Paris accords and ignore the balance of the chat by Dinesh. I went back to listen one more time to D'Souza and am into his chat over a minute yet he is not addressing Paris.

Paris depends on humans agreeing they are to blame for climate. For us to be to blame, we must have control over climate. We can not change anything we do not control.

 

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Wow! What ignorance!

Meanwhile people like Elon Musk is providing energy solutions to third world countries that are affordable and far more reliable than what they currently have.

 

What we would like is for some of the rabid anti global warming idiots to actually do some research

 

Memo to all believers that me and you made a huge mess of climate.

To give it perspective, let's explain it like this.

You have earned one million dollars this past 12 months. Out of that million, i seek but 400 dollars from you. Does that seem much against the million dollars? It could be said that during the past 12 months as you earned your million dollars, your meal tips are far higher than $400. So what is 400 ppm to you? Chump change. Pocket money.

Now, you want to accept blame for climate. I don't wish to disabuse you of your guilt. If you feel a self loathing, little for me to create a moment of clarity for you to stop whipping yourself.

Whipping me will never work.

But let's say all the believers in their earth shattering climate control......

What i do will not matter at all. You will have solved earth's problems. So by all means, cease and desist.

If you polute the atmosphere, quit doing it. I won't tax you if you quit. I promise.

 

Wow! What ignorance!

Meanwhile people like Elon Musk is providing energy solutions to third world countries that are affordable and far more reliable than what they currently have.[/QUOTE]

Temper tantrums by you shall never work.

Where will the poor get the cash to deal with their energy problems? Musk has a factory here in my city. I see no solutions being made at the factory.

 

Stop warming earth. You claim you do not control it, well I do not control it. Stop blaming me for climate control.

 

You suggested there IS a conspiracy to disable developing countries by denying them access to energy.

But, the Paris agreement is the sole intsrnational agreement on taking zction against climate change, and:
1 itabsolutely does NOT deny energy or otherwise constrain any nation, including India.

2 those who want to take action against climate change are glad to see the progress of Paris

And, you have not given evidence of that climate change conspiracy theory expressed by the speaker.

 

But is short-term growth for these countries really worth the global damage of climate change? And stopping climate change is not controlling the climate, it is our strengthening of the CO2 greenhouse layer that is trapping the heat and controlling the climate. It is when we stop doing this that we stop controlling the climate and let it do its own thing.

 

The speaker claimed that India was being constrained by outside forces.

And, I pointed out that he is absolutely WRONG.

Did you watch the videio?

Do you understand that the speaker was dead wrong?