Mueller invokes unusual ‘conspiracy to defraud government’ charge to ensnare more targets

How? Further, Trump is essentially a 3rd Party Candidate who captured the GOP nomination.

The nothing to hide argument states that government surveillance programs do not threaten privacy unless they uncover illegal activities, and that if they do uncover illegal activities, the person committing these activities does not have the right to keep them private. Hence, a person who favors this argument may state "I've got nothing to hide" and therefore does not express opposition to government surveillance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument

So you shouldn't object to the police coming in and tossing your house, if you have nothing to hide, right?

You May Have 'Nothing to Hide' But You Still Have Something to Fear.

The "nothing to hide" argument mistakenly suggests that privacy and rights against unwarranted intrusion is something only criminals desire.

Fences and curtains are ways to ensure a measure of privacy, not indicators of criminal behavior. Privacy is a fundamental part of a dignified life.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/you-may-have-nothing-hide-you-still-have-something-fear

 

Um, I'm not sure the basis for this accusation, but even if it's true, what does it matter now? Besides, Mueller is one of your guys, a republican. I suspect anyone investigating Trump would be incompetent in your eyes...

 

Isn't he a Republican, from San Francisco? Regardless, he's been a royal screw-up for sometime now.

 

Yes, he was the US attorney in the Northern California Office. So? California gave you the great Ronald Reagan, what's your problem with Cali now?

What you are upset about is that he's shown to be a fair minded individual who appreciates the rule of law.

Besides, if what you say is true, he's your screw up, not mine given he is a republican and was appointed by one to higher offices.

 

Thats why its silly to claim its democrats. This was done and controlled by republicans, democrats were laughing like crazy but have nothing to do with this.

If they leave everything as it was once they are done: nope.

They can look trough my mails, go trough taxes try to find something illegal.

Of course I am not trump, if I was I would be very nervous as well seeing he never was too strict on following the law.

 

I haven't said anything different in substance though I don't you could get near a majority in the house to impeach, and, if you can muster up the political will, the color of the president's hair will suffice. The never Trump Republicans do not have anywhere near the backbone for doing such.

Maybe you can point out where I missed it, but I do not recall any Republicans complaining of Trump-Russia collusion until 2017. Some might have picked up on Russia meddling -- not the same as Trump collusion lest you forgot -- that Obama administration inadvertently let slip out, until Dec 2016. I have no idea why you say we have no interest in national security. If Republicans would have known that Obama put the Russian meddling stuff in the deep freeze, we might have spoken out more.

 

That's a really odd, not to mention silly, way to look at organizations.

 

That might be fine in your system, but in our system they must have probable cause.

Well, that's the claim, but it's the investigators claiming Trump's dirty that keep committing felonies. It it OK with you if investigators commit felonies in the course of investigating others?

 

After this last weekend storm of twitter tweets by the twumpette himself.
He now has ruled out firing Meuller. Even R's now say it will end his presidency if he does.

Oops.

 

Thats what they have, thats whats started this whole investigation.

What felonies?

And if they are doing this DOJ/sessions/rosenstein anyone can shut down or change that investigation.

 

DOJ isn't someone's initials.
Sessions is recused.
I have no idea what Rosenstein is up to. He signed off on one of the illegal warrants.

That McCabe lied to the Inspector General, while attempting to send General Michael Flynn to prison for lying to the same FBI is of highest hypocrisy.

https://townhall.com/columnists/kevinmccullough/2018/03/18/the-coming-collusion-bloodbath-n2462040

 

Nope, Mueller does the investigation he runs it and the direction it takes thats not rosenstein he has nothing to do with the actual investigating.

 

If the special council is actually commiting crime the department of justice can stop the investigation.

If something like this was actually happening he can un-recuse himself, replace mueller or whoever needs replacing and let the investigation continue.

Source?

McCabe isnt working in the mueller investigation, thats just changing the subject.

 

There isnt a mayority because most republicans actually do believe there was an issue in the elections one that warrents investigation. Again this has little to do with democrats.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...despite-trumps-stance/?utm_term=.96dcd0e58777

Leading Senate Republicans are preparing to launch a coordinated and wide-ranging probe into Russia’s alleged meddling in the U.S. elections and its potential cyberthreats to the military, digging deep into what they view as corrosive interference in the nation’s institutions.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-russia-hackers-republicans-229572

Many of the Republicans interviewed in the days leading up to and in the wake of Friday’s announcement — made via news release from Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson and director of national intelligence James Clapper — said they had long ago made the Russian connection, despite what Trump has said on the matter.

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Lets no forget with obaam as president and an election coming up, no republican was going to say anything to overt. Once after the election its clear they wanted an investigation.

Republicans knew, but it wasnt politicialy expedient at the time. Understandable.

But now its a completly different situation and still a lot refuse to act . Party over country unfortunatly.

 

Sessions is recused.
Rosenstein signed off on one of the illegal spy warrants.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Ros...ts&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

That would completely take the focus off the fact that a very dirty Obama DOJ and FBI illegally spied Trump based on a dossier Bought and Planted by the Hillary Clinton Campaign,

Dirty Peter and Happy Horn-Dog Page colluded with Lying Jim on an "insurance policy" in the event that Trump was elected. Hillary's oppo-dirt purchased and planted by her campaign in collusion with the Obama Administration formed the basis of the medial blitz we all endured since the election that ended in Comey fire, he illegally leaked through a cut out, in the hopes of triggering a SC by Rosenstein, which worked out great, Rosenstein appointed his bff Mueller.

 

Thats just political he can unrecuse himself. WIthout a good reason he'l just look like a total idiot.

Criminal acts by the investigation would be a perfect excuse.

Thats not the special council investigation itself this is before that investigation .

And from your own source :

So if Trump wants to fire Rosenstein based on one line in the Nunes memo, it would be quite a stretch.

So this :

Remains total BS, and you know it.

 

Jeff Sessions is a by the book guy, and with the firing of Lying Jim, he's looking pretty good!

Mueller's collapsing, the OIG reports are due to start being released, who wants to step on all that?

If Trump was planning to fire Rosenstein, he would have.

There was collusion in the election of 2016.

It involved Russians, a British ex-spy, law firms, FBI agents, DOJ attorneys, an FBI director that prejudged evidence, an Attorney General that had an unethical meeting with the spouse of a target, FISA warrants obtained on faulty information that stemmed from political sources, a Deputy Director whose wife received monetary support in an election, an FBI director who lied to Congress, an FBI Deputy Director who lied to the Justice Department’s Inspector General, loads of classified materials that were mishandled and criminally passed to those without clearances, and partisan hacks spearheading inquiries aiming for political outcomes.

The scope of this collusion is overwhelming, the attempts are a damning indictment of political operatives that have lost all integrity, and sadly an administration, a major political party, and agents of a deep state that attempted in a wide sweeping number of ways to undo an election that they lost.

Former high-ranking FBI officials believe that the Inspector General’s coming report will be explosive.

Just relax.

https://townhall.com/columnists/kevinmccullough/2018/03/18/the-coming-collusion-bloodbath-n2462040

 

I suggest you learn a bit more on how a special prosecutor functions. But it's your call.

 

error

 

Although I explicitly pointed out the difference you are continuing the meme that Russian meddling is the same as Trump-Russian collusion, forever holding out faint hope that we will be too stupid to notice. Your rebuttal addressed Republican support for looking at meddling; and even that was December 2016, pretty close to 2017.
It seems your other point is 180 degrees out of phase (if I understand it.) It was Obama who iced any real effort in 2016 to expose Russian meddling in the election for fear it would taint Hillary's certain victory.

 

If you claim rosenstein does the actual investigating :

 

No I do not, strawman argument here.

I was talking about the mueller investigation, you tried to change that to just collusion.

Again I can only repeat what I said before: republicans were concerned about russian interference in the elections and republicans started and controle the investigations.

Nothing to do with democrats.

The topic was mueller investigation aka russian meddling in the elections not just colusion.

Didnt say that I meant: No republican was going to give any support the the obama administration. Once the electionw as over they could start an investigation without seeming to support the administration.

 

which of course I never did. I said he was the boss and you somehow concluded that he then was not involved.

 

My argument addressed explicitly the difference of opinion regarding collusion. So you just "successfully rebutted" my argument by claiming it is different that what it actually was. On the same token I refute your argument that the sun rises in the west. So there!
Did Republicans suggest or approve the FBI's checking the servers at the RNC and DNC in 2015 for Russian hacking for example? Which Republicans running the justice department would that have been?

 

Who cares how "unusual" the charge is?

Breaking the law is breaking the law, and Mueller can pursue the charge.

From what I have gathered, the only people whining about this "unusual charge" are pro-Trump RW Snowflakes who seem to have a problem with Federal Laws being enforced.