Mueller invokes unusual ‘conspiracy to defraud government’ charge to ensnare more targets

So you think the trump admin is lying?

 

So you support not investigation crime?
Wasnt one of trumps promisses to "drain the swamp" . Isnt investigating people "defrauding the government" just that ?

 

They didn't inspect the hard drives, any conclusions are conjecture. Aren't you an attorney?

 

So why hasn’t trump fired these incompetent idiots then? Why did he also say he agrees with them?

 

I promise you..nothing mueller does will change the election results

 

I do not support the political war the Democrats are involved in. If Mulehead has something lets see it or fire him.

 

No kidding.

And, the RW continues to make complete fools of themselves (with page after page) of their regurgitation of RW BS "talking points".

It is stupefying how the RW keeps trying to "defend" Trump by repeating the same warmed-over BS.

And then, after constantly parroting (and repeating) the same, tired, warmed-over , RW BS--they actually expect to be taken seriously?

Oh, and as to the topic of the OP, Mueller is merely applying the law.

Do RW Trump Apologists have a problem with laws being enforced?

 

Please get a clue!....First off the Dems have nothing to do with who TRUMP picked......When this hits the fan what will be you excuse? JFC!

 

You're funny.

 

I believe you have represented yourself as an attorney. Even if you are not, you should have some sense of courtroom evidence expectations. How in the world can the FBI claim a hard drive was hacked if they never examined it?

I find it very difficult to believe that you could be so stupid, that you don't see the problem here.

 

The fbi lead by a trump appointment. It’s also the claim by the cia and nsa...both lead by trump appointments. Even trump himself has said it was Russia.
Don’t worry, if it goes to court I’m sure they’ll show you the evidence.
But no, I’m not an attorney.

 

Proof has nothing to do with it. I didn't dispute that the things you listed happened; I disputed your ignorant claim that they were crimes -- something required to appoint a special prosecutor in a justice system that threats every equally.

 

If they didn't examine the servers they have no evidence to present to the court in support of their claim that a hacking occurred.

 

So when’s trump firing his Intel heads for lying?
I have no idea why you don’t think they could have caught them in other ways...but you’ll see eventually

 

If Trump thought he could fire them at the moment, without getting immediately swept up into impeachment proceedings, he probably would. Let the scummyness of this horrible misuse of executive power by the Obama Administration and then his holdovers ripen to an unbearable stench.

No. In any court of law they are never going to get past the question of: "If the FBI and our intelligence agencies think they were hacked, why didn't they examine them?"

You think you are going to dazzle the Court with a shuffle and dance about how you did this other thing that is "just as good" as physically examining them, and on that basis establish that a crime actually took place and that Trump was criminally involved in that crime?

What a blithering pile of horse crap. Not a chance you are really dumb enough to believe that. This is a dog and pony show.

 

Mueller is a republican, given an assignment/task/job by a republican congress under an republican administration.

Where do you see the democrats here?

 

Steele was working on contract to Fusion GPS, a Washington-based public-relations firm, which, in turn, was on contract to a D.C. law firm, which, in turn, was on contract to the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC. Steele was working for Hillary Clinton. His job was to plant evidence on Trump.

Steele's fabricated "evidence" is 17 reports that he compiled between June and December 2016. In early July, Steele had been working on the Clinton account for only a few weeks and had written but one report, dated June 20. It claimed that Trump was Vladimir Putin’s Manchurian candidate. “The Russian regime has been cultivating, supporting, and assisting Trump for at least 5 years,” Steele reported. Putin’s goal was “to sow discord and disunity both within the US itself, but more especially within the Transatlantic alliance.” The Russian leader supported Trump, mainly, by supplying “valuable intelligence on his opponents, including Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/russia-collusion-real-story-hillary-clinton-dnc-fbi-media/

 

You goofballs are totally reliant on woulda,coulda, shoulda, might have been, maybe, who knows, anything is possible -- hang the SOB!
What intel heads lied? For what? The DNC would not let them in because they would probably find other related shenanigans stored in the DNC data.

 

So?

What does that change that Mueller is a republican, given an assignment/task/job by a republican congress under an republican administration ?

 

The dossier was fabricated by Steele, peddled to fake news media for its disinformation blitz that we all witnessed by Simpson, used by the Corrupt Obama Administration to frame Trump and Page so the could illegally spy on both, and the woe-begotten spawn of all this is the Mueller Investigation.

During the Watergate scandal, the press popularized the phrase “the non-denial denial.” The Nixon White House had a special talent for issuing statements that sounded like categorical denials of allegations but that, upon close parsing, affirmed them to be true. In the matter of the Steele dossier, Obama officials, some of their allies in Congress, and senior leaders in the FBI have developed an analogous ploy: the “non-verification verification.” These are statements that distance the speaker from the laughable fantasies of the Steele dossier while still affirming that the tale of collusion it weaves must be taken seriously.

The unrivaled master of the move is John Brennan. In a recent appearance on NBC’s Meet the Press, Brennan defended the FBI’s use of the Steele dossier in its FISA warrant application. He railed against the FBI’s critics, whom he depicted as partisan hacks. He played the role of sober intelligence professional. Expressing his personal appraisal of the dossier when he was still director of the CIA, he said, “There were things in that dossier that made me wonder whether or not they were, in fact, accurate and true.”

Exactly what things? Was it the dossier’s view of Page as the diabolical mastermind of the DNC hack that struck the CIA director as credible? Avoiding the dossier’s specific allegations, Brennan maintained his front and asserted, with the somber tone of a button-down national-security professional, that Steele’s reports contain valuable intelligence leads. “I think Jim Comey has said that it contained salacious and unverified information,” Brennan continued. “Just because it was unverified didn’t mean it wasn’t true.”

The non-verification verification is central to the distinctive nature of the Obama administration’s abuse of power. Most of our debate has focused on how the FBI used the Steele dossier to validate the investigation of Carter Page. This issue is important, to be sure, but it must not deflect us from seeing that the reverse is also true: The administration deliberately used the investigation of Page to validate the dossier.

Consider, again, the coy Brennan. When questioners push him to explain what in the Steele dossier he finds compelling, he habitually takes shelter behind secret sources — evidence hidden behind a classified screen, where only he, the chief intelligence professional, was permitted to see it. “I was aware of intelligence . . . about contacts between Russian officials and U.S. persons that raised concerns in my mind about whether . . . those individuals were cooperating with the Russians . . . and it served as the basis for the FBI investigation to determine whether such collusion [or] cooperation occurred.”

John Brennan sees things that we cannot see. If he indeed has access to secrets that transform stories from Marvel Comics into the stuff of everyday reality, then he has done a very poor job of explaining what they are. Moreover, no disinterested intelligence professional has supported him. Brennan’s somber and self-righteous appeal to hidden secrets is the oldest con in the book. Just replace his top-secret computer monitor with a crystal ball or dried chicken bones, and his scam is the same one that Gypsy fortunetellers ran on superstitious peasants in early-modern Europe, or that soothsayers were operating in Homer’s Greece.

With respect to the framing of Trump, however, the second-sight scam required elaborate orchestration, the work of many hands. The key was the double-tracking of the dossier. Hillary Clinton’s enablers channeled it simultaneously into the press and into the government. They then recruited people inside government to verify to the outsiders that it was a serious document, a guide to the intelligence that reporters were not allowed to see. Without this double-tracking and official or quasi-official authentication, journalists would never have believed that they were catching a glimpse of what Brennan and the FBI saw in their crystal balls — pardon me, their top-secret monitors. And without leaks about investigations, journalists would have had no dossier-related news to report. Official statements that the dossier “was being looked into” transformed it into a legitimate topic for reputable news outlets.

This con failed in its primary goal of preventing the election of Trump, but it was nevertheless a partial success. It instilled in a significant portion of the American public the conviction that Trump indeed conspired with Putin. This conviction is especially prevalent among the lofty-minded — a class of people that includes Republicans as well as Democrats.

The bipartisan character of the delusion was the greatest factor that legitimated the appointment of Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel leading the investigation into Trump’s alleged relations with Russia. The lofty-minded have greeted every indictment that Mueller has handed down as confirmation of their collusion delusion. In reality, those indictments only prove that a phalanx of crack investigators armed with nearly unlimited resources, a grand jury, and an expansive mandate can draw blood almost at will. If a similar phalanx were to target Hillary Clinton and the shenanigans surrounding the Clinton Foundation, how much blood would flow? In other words, Mueller’s indictments are just the latest form of the non-verification verification.

Regardless of Mueller’s intentions, his probe serves as precisely the kind of “insurance policy” that Strzok seems to have been discussing with his lover, Lisa Page, in August 2016. Trump cannot shut down the Mueller probe and excise the rot in the DOJ and the FBI without appearing to obstruct justice. In practical terms, the Mueller probe is the cover-up.

The political damage that Mueller’s team is inflicting on Trump helps explain why a surprising number of people mount passionate and sincere defenses of the dossier and the spy who fabricated it. The logic of partisan politics will always lead a significant percentage of people to insist, with varying degrees of true belief, that a sow’s ear really is a silk purse. But partisanship is not by any means the only factor at work here. Even people with well-deserved reputations for intellectual seriousness passionately defend the integrity of Christopher Steele, a man whom the New York Times insists on calling, despite all contrary evidence, “a whistleblower.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/russia-collusion-real-story-hillary-clinton-dnc-fbi-media/

 

What is the point? Or is this the standard schoolyard "Nya nya nya" retort.

 

The argument was that this is part of the democratic war on trump.

Again Mueller is a republican, given an assignment/task/job by a republican congress under an republican administration what has this got to do with democrats?

 

If this is the truth ,the republican investigation into this, under supervision of republicans under a republican administration and president will no doubt bring this all out.

If this is the case why are republicans covering up for the obama administration?

I believe its far beyond mueller (who actually hasnt brought a lot out) its the combination of the shady past of trump and parts of his administration the countless ties of trump and part of his administration and campaign to russia and the countless lies they have been caught out on.

Where there is smoke .... most people will think.

 

Mueller is the Democrat appointed point man of the Democrat/left attempt to overthrow the presidency. What he was registered as years ago doesn't mean squat.

 

No matter who Mulehead is at this point the Democrats declared war on Trump the minute the American people put Trump in office. I do give credit to the Democrats their plan which was an old plan dusted off by Ovomit that he used against Romney was a decent plan. There was some true Patriots who worked for the Government (Admiral Rogers) who sniffed out the plan and now it's a full scale war. So to all the lefties who are trying to defend their guy McCabe, it's game on and the ultimate prize is Ovomit, the Hag, Lynch, Comey, Mulehead, get their heads on the trophy wall in the Oval office up there with McCabe.