East vs West. Who is stronger - the SCO or NATO?

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    I get the impression that you have problems with learning the reading. Do you have a doctor?...Are you capable of perceiving reality? Chechnya is part of Russia. The conflict in Chechnya is an internal conflict. This has nothing to do with international military operations. For example, how long is the conflict in northern Ireland? How long is the conflict in the Uighur region of China? Corsicans, Basques ... and so on. This is not an international conflict. To compare it with the war in Vietnam is stupid.
    Internal conflict can worsen or subside. If you compare it with the war, it is a civil war. In the civil war there are no winners on ethnic grounds. Is it hard for you to understand?

    The Vietnam War is the classic aggression of the United States against Vietnam. In which the United States lost.

    I have proved to you that GDP is a false indicator that has nothing to do with the real economy. Also said Simon Kuznetz - the author of the term GDP. In addition, the American economy is the economy of dog hairdressers and financial bubbles. You do not produce anything - "the best in the world".
    By the way, the only product that I bought in the US, "Made in the US" - Fender Stratocaster guitar. All . The rest is made in China. I also saw jeans "made in Mexico". I did not buy. I wanted to buy "made in the US" - I did not find it.

    You like to compare salaries and other indicators in absolute figures. And yes - the US debt is the biggest debt in the history of mankind. The figures of the debt of France, Britain ... or any state for the entire history of mankind - are not comparable to the figure of American debt.
     
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    Have your grandfather and grandmother been arrested? For what article? During the war, did they cooperate with the fascists? Or only criminal offenses? If you say that the state confiscated their land and property, then according to the law these are economic crimes - corruption, theft in especially large amounts, fraud and such crimes. Name the article on which they were convicted.
     
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    Communism is not an obstacle to free enterprise. You can recall, for example, private enterprises in the days of Stalin, which were called "artels." By the way, the artels had great privileges from the state. But after Khrushchev usurped power, the artels were liquidated. However, as well as eliminated the construction of sotsalizma. Because they started building nomenclatura polity.
     
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    Russia bought the Baltic from the Swedes, including Lithuania. Under all laws - the Baltic belongs to Russia. And inevitably the territory of the Baltic will become part of Russia. Just like the Crimea became part of Russia.

    Otto Eduard Leopold von Bismarck-Schönhausen

    "Do not expect that once taken advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russian always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on the Jesuit agreement you signed, you are supposed to justify. They are not worth the paper it is written. Therefore, with the Russian cost or fair play or no play. "
     
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    Russia lost this region in World War One and has not had a valid title to it since then. It like California. Once it belonged to Mexico but they couldn't defend it and now it belongs to US. Or its like Palestine. Once it belonged to the Ottomans but they couldn't defend it so now it belongs to Israel.
    My point stands. Putinka's army is paralyzed because they don't want to fight US Army and Marines.
     
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    No they where not, my relatives was sent to slave camps before Germany attacked USSR just because they were wealthy people and employed workers. actually killing the incentive of the people, wiping out rich people and elite and rising up the generation of proles, who are waiting when some great leader will think for them and drop some bones from his table to these proles for free, digged the grave for the USSR and very negatively affected post soviet society's.
     
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    No, actually, you are always wrong. Everything you post is extremely biased. I bet you are one of those paid trolls from the troll factory. Even when you are proved wrong in one thread, you repost your false claims in a new one. Regularly. Debating you makes no sense because you repeat your lies every several days with threads that are equivalent to each other. You are on a mission to spread lies and glorify Russia, even though, you probably live with your distant family members in a small apartment, can’t afford to buy your own living quarters, a car and many other things that someone in the west can easily have.
    Good luck, make sure your wall carpet is clean and keeps the wall warm and reduces the noise from your neighbors since you live in a cheaply built building that creates the need to cover that wall.
    Your posts are nothing but amusement to those who are really familiar with Russians and their way of life.
     
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    See, you keep repeating yourself over and over again, even though I addressed this in your threads multiple times. The US dollar cannot exist without debt. That’s just how it functions. As the US economy grows, so does the money supply and the debt. I guess, it’s something that an average Russian alcoholic just can’t grasp.
     
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    Uhhh, I have news for you, if Chechnya won the war, it wouldn't be part of the Russian Federation. Besides, the ones who were fighting were followers of the jihadists from the Gulf states and were supported by the CIA. Putin has given the Muslim republics within the Russian Federation greater rights so they wouldn't want to leave the Russia. This is what he suggested to Poroshenko so that Ukraine could hold on to the different regions and remain intact. But they prefer wars.

    Only the cost of American goods is higher, not the value which represents the worth of a product. As an example, I'm amazed at the quality of clothes from China. If they were made in the US, the cost of a similar garment would not be $60, but more like $260.

    In Russia's case it is not just the cheap labor and technology that makes its military arms better at a lower price, but that it doesn't have to buy raw materials from other nations so that the price they pay for them is very low. It's Russia's natural wealth that frightens the US about Russia. It contains almost 30% of all the world's natural resources.

    Now you're being silly. Britain and France were forced to increase their taxes, while Washington just keeps printing more and more money while its debt keeps growing. But that can only go on as long as the American dollar is being used as currency throughout the world. Russia, China, Iran, India, etc. have stopped using the American dollar in a lot of their exchanges, and are buying gold like mad as protection from the eventual economic downfall from the loss of the dollar..

    To understand the impact of this, Ghadaffi wanted to leave the dollar and put Africa on the gold standard to raise their standard of living, this is why Clinton invaded Libya and killed him.
     
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    FAKE NEWS ALERT!
     
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    The deaths mean nothing to you do they? It's all game isn't it - as long as it's not yours?

    Nothing surprising here.
     
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    So from military point of view campaign against tiny Chechnya was much harder if we compare it with oversees campaign against heavily armored hundred thousands force of Vjetmin and Vjetkong? Or you don't know?

    Classical aggression? against which country, South Vietnam or North Vietnam? Or you did not know, that there where 2 Vietnams?

    You proved? In your fairytale world your empty words become a prove? And you did not answer to a question, if not the overall value of produced goods, than which id the best indicator of the economic activity?

    Why didn't you bought a jeans made in Russia?

    How did you compered it?
     
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    It is untruth. This was not. If your relatives committed crimes - they could be arrested. In addition, you say that their property was confiscated from them. This was possible only on the verdict of the court for economic crimes - theft in especially large amounts, fraud and corruption. So I ask - for what article were your relatives convicted?
    They are not kidnapped by the unknown in masks. Property, confiscated from them, it was necessary to enter the register and indicate the basis. Contain in the camp - need grounds. In other words, a verdict is needed.
     
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    Yes, there was one crime - they were wealthy people. It terrible crime under the soviet rule. Of course there could be another crimes to - to be a oficer for example, to be a Chechen or karmic, all therible crimes.
     
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    1. Give an example.
    2. If you are not able to buy an apartment, it does not mean that others also can not buy an apartment.
    3. In% of the population - in Russia there are more homeowners than in the USA. At that much more. And this is thanks to the USSR.
    4. You always talk about paid trolls. Are you a paid troll? Because everyone is know from the Bible - everyone judges by himself.
     
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    Maybe an American alcoholic understands international debt and more than a Russian alcoholic (Yeltsin, for example, did not understand anything at all). But any sober person understands - a huge external debt, this is a big burden for the budget. And this load for the US budget is constantly growing. The deficit of the US budget is constantly growing. Does this understand the American alcoholic?
    The US economy is dog hairdressers, facebook and financial bubbles. The growth of such an economy to real prosperity is irrelevant
     
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    I sewed jeans in Russia. To order. (In Russia, jeans are "made in China", or "made in the EU." I wanted classic American jeans, I hoped I could buy them in the US, but there were jeans from China in the US And only in one place I saw jeans "made in Mexico. "By the way, I'm not saying that there are no original American jeans in the US I just did not see them.
    The reason why I wanted original American jeans - a fabric for them used to be made from American cotton. It is certainly a little worse than Egyptian (the Egyptian cotton is the best in the world, there is a different amount of fiber, but unfortunately, when sown to other regions, it mutates into ordinary), but it is also very good. For jeans - super. In addition, the classical dye is indigo, but not modern chemical nonsense.
    So I sewed jeans to order in Russia. (he used a cloth made of Egyptian cotton of medium quality, but painting is a real indigo.) By the way, it's also hard to find a good jeans fabric in Russia.)
     
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    actually the existence of US dollar and state debt has nothing common. US take debt because they can, and actually is right thing to do, because margin is low and these finances are available. Why did not use them? The main thing to concern about is, that economy should grow faster than debt or interest payments. Country is not the man, it can't die, so it can take a debt forever.
     
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    It is untruth.

    You know nothing about the tsarist officers and the Red Army?
    43% of the available officers of the Imperial Army served in the Red Army. Approximately 70,000-75,000 officers. A number of officers emigrated.
    But the most striking fact is that of the most valuable and prepared part of the officer corps of the Russian army - the corps of officers of the General Staff there were 639 in the Red Army (including 252 generals, the legendary General Brusilov also served in the Red Army)
    By the way, recently a calculation was published according to which (I quote) "the total number of cadre officers participating in the civil war in the ranks of the regular Red Army was more than 2 times higher than the number of personnel officers who took part in military operations on the side of whites" (If you are interested - "Questions of History", 1993, N 6, p. 189. You can use transliter)

    To understand the way of thinking of the patriot, who turned out to be in the white camp, read the memories of Genar YA. Slavcheva.

    For your reference: V.V. Shulgin - monarchist, who, along with the leader of the Octobrists AI. Guchkov, acceptance renunciation Nicholas II, .
    The arrest of the tsar was made by the chief of the general staff of the imperial army - General Alekseev.
    The arrest of the royal family was made by the Chief of the St. Petersburg Military District of the Imperial Army - General Kornilov. (later one of the leader of the White movement). Not the Bolsheviks
     
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    USDs and bonds are twins that cannot exist without each other.
    To inject cash or digital money into circulation the Fed creates money and buys up bonds. To remove extra cash it sells bonds and destroys the money. The balance sheet looks like this: (Cash + precious metals + receivables from other countries) = liabilities (US Debt).
    So, total US debt is close to the amount of money in circulation. As economy grows, the cash in circulation must be increased by US issuing debt and the Fed buying it from the open market. If the Fed were not doing it we would be experiencing deflation, which hurts the economy more than inflation.
     
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    What is untruth? Where did i wrote, that there where no tcar oficers in Red army? I wrote, that soviet regieme killed people because they where oficers, for example 20 000 poles in Katin forest. I wrote that soviet regime organized etnic clensings aginst whole nations. I wrote, that people, including small children,was sent to far North or slave caps just because they where rich. Soviet regime was criminal regime, just as nazi regieme. Only difference is that germans realize, that nazi regieme was criminal while many russia citizens justify the crimes of the soviet regime
     
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    The last big non-nuclear war between East and West was the proxy conflict of Vietnam. The West, that is, America, lost it rather decisively. Today we have non-nuclear conflicts going on in Iraq/Syria and Afghanistan. We are not losing, but we are not really winning either. We are holding our own in both areas but only because the enemy is choosing to meet us on terms that favor us, that is, the conventional battlefield, or at least as conventional as battlefields get nowadays
    We are in the era of "asymmetric" warfare, the most powerful may be the least, we are in the circumstance of someone in a china shop confronted with a wasp whose only method of defense is a heavy sledgehammer.
     
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