East vs West. Who is stronger - the SCO or NATO?

No, the evidence is there. Please explain how Putin could afford all that real estate he owns?

 

Smarter than the average bear.

 

Putin has - an apartment, a garage, a dacha and two cars. GAZ 21 (if I'm not mistaken about the 60-ies) and car fret "Niva". The same property has an overwhelming number of Russians. What surprises you?
For example, I have two houses and two plots of land. A car, a motorcycle - and I'm an absolutely ordinary person in Russia. There are very many people who are richer than me. Moreover, much richer than I.

 

You are hilarious. I am aware of the economic picture in russia. Your anecdotal "evidence" means nothing on the internet, where for all I know you are a "professional" destroyer of illusions. Nobody knows you're a dog on the internet, unless you repeatedly behave like one, I guess.

 

If you had a brain, you could use Google to find a declaration of Putin's income. In Russia, all officials are required to show annual declarations of income and all property they own. As well as members of their families. But apparently Google is not available to you.

But because your intelect is limited, I will show you in detail what kind of property the President of the Russian Federation has. This screenshot of the anti-corruption declaration. https://declarator.org/person/582/



Text translation.
declaration 2017
Putin's property includes:
1. One apartment of 77 square meters
2. One garage, an area of 18 square meters.
3. Three cars (2 - GAZ 21 and 1 LADA "Niva")
4. One trailer "Skif"

But you can continue to write nonsense about trillions and quadrillion of Putin.

 

Oh dear. Keep drinking the koolaid.

 

This poor man not only telling instantly how bad life is in US, when he lives in Russia where, comparing with US, the living standard is few times lover, but he also dreaming how Russia alone will beat NATO with one hand. And he is not unique, this is mindset of average russian prole. Big part of russian society are sick with post imperil syndrome. combined with instant brainwash from media, outcome is what we can see here.

 

But you do not have evidence of Putin's crime. In other words, you lie. Is not it?

 

I have been to the USA many times. Have you ever been in Russia?

 

Russia does not have to "beat" NATO. Russia only needs to show NATO countries that they are being dupped and that dealing with Russia is a better thing to thing to do.

 

I have been to USA and to Russia. I think we should have normal relations with both US and Russia. Capitalism is only good if the competition is fair. Competition between only western countries is not competition, it is corruption and manipulation. If both east and west compete with each other then Capitalism might be a good thing.

 

I am against capitalism. Because capitalism is based on the surplus value and exploitation of man by man.

And since capitalism has now been transformed into imperialism. Therefore, the collapse of capitalism is inevitable. To understand why and to receive proof of the inevitable collapse of capitalism, read Lenin - "Imperialism, as the highest stage of capitalism." Lenin, in an accessible language, proves this. Once again, he writes not about sympathies or antipathies towards capitalism, Lenin PROVES the inevitable collapse of capitalism.

 

Why did you ask? The fact that you or i visited certain countries somehow changed the fact, that in Russia people got much lower living standards than in US, or it proves your sick fantasies about how Russia can win war with NATO?

 

They need, if not in reality then at least in their fantasies. Their
Complex of incompleteness
demands this kind of physical healing.

NATO countries that are being dumped? By who? And how Russia can help?

 

I don't like Capitalism either. I am a Socialist-Democrat. But if people want Capitalism I suppose it can work if it is not corrupt.

I agree but then maybe Imperialism is not Capitalism?

It can prove that you have been lied to by the Americans. Look, no matter how much information Destroyer of Illusions gives you, you don't believe him. Why? Because you have never seen what he is talking about. So why do you believe the Americans without seeing what they are talking about? You are using the logic of bigotry.

I am sure you do not know what you are talking about.

When the US blockaded Cuba, the Soviet Union offered help by way of free trade.
When the US boycotted Iran's oil, the Soviet Union offered help by way of free trade.
Do you understand now?

 

I speak russian fluently, i have an access to Russia media, also i know english. Why i have to believe someone on word, if i can compare myself?

Yes of course. Did you watched russian TV? Did you read what people are writing in russian forums? I watched and i read this, i know what is in their minds.

No, i dont understand how NATO countries are being dumped.

US blocked Cuba becsuse of USSR nucloer missles there.

 

Because you judge by the articles in the Western media. Come to Russia and see for yourself. Or learn to think - why, if Russia is weak, Russia spit on all sanctions against it?

I do not understand how dog hairdressers and financial bubbles can prevent Russia from erasing NATO? Of course, in the event of the outbreak of war, Russia will very quickly wipe out NATO. This is obvious to everyone who has a brain. In addition, if you talk about the economy, Russia's surplus and foreign trade and budget surplus. In the US, there is a deficit in both foreign trade and a budget deficit. The US has the greatest debt in the history of mankind. You have long been mortgaged and re-mortgaged. I do not understand why you are so proud?

 

Imperialism is the highest, and last, stage of capitalism. as well as in its time capitalism ousted feudalism for many hundreds of years. also now - socialism is going through the initial stage. Socialism is a new way of socially political system. Of course, there are mistakes in its creation and need time to get tired. They learn from mistakes.

For example, in the USSR, the building of a socialist society was interrupted by a freak and villain Khrushchev. Instead of socialism, he began to build a nomenklatura society, which the bastard Gorbachev and the alcoholic Yeltsin transferred to capitalism.

 

What articles? You want to compare for example avg wages in US and Russia? Or how long people live in US and Russia? It will be funny to see great advantages of Russia.

I'm proud of what?

You know, BurkinaFasso got smaller debt than US. I bet it means, that Burkina Fasso can beat NATO too?

 

1. Not necessary to compare salaries in the US and Russia. You can compare for example communal payments in the US and Russia. You can compare free education and medicine in Russia and ... how much does a visit to a dentist in the US cost? ... In general, there are a lot of topics to compare.

2. If I rephrase you, the United States lost to Vietnam for example. This suggests that the presence of dog hairdressers does not mean an unconditional military victory.
The barbarians were economically weaker than the Roman Empire, but they destroyed Rome.

 

Destroyer of Illusions didn't ask you if you speak Russian and English. He stated one fact and asked you a specific question >>>>>>>>>> here:

You didn't answer his question which negates your reply >>>>> here:

So you are not telling the truth. If you have not been to Russia then you cannot "compare yourself". Why can you not be honest?

My Russian language is very poor. But I visited all of the Soviet Union and I have been to the Russian Federation countries. I speak 5 languages very well and even though my Russian is not good, I meet people who speak one of those languages that I do speak well.

Well! I speak English fluently and I lived many years in the US (and many other countries) and I read what Americans are writing in forums. Do you want to discuss what they say but also what is true and not true? And what about what you read about Russia and Russians? You don't know? If you would visit Russian maybe you could know. That is what Destroyer of Illusions is telling you.

So you don't know about the dissatisfaction within NATO members?

The USSR put those missiles in Cuba because the US put missiles in Turkey aimed at highly-populated Soviet cities. Krushev told Kennedy he must remove the missiles in Turkey and then the USSR would remove his missiles in Cuba. I am sure the Americans never told you that.

THE BOTTOM LINE: You say the living standard is poor in Russia but Destroyer of Illusions says it's not true. He asked you if you have been to Russia to see WITH YOUR OWN EYES if it is true or not true. I have lived in the US and I have been to Russia. I have seen more poverty in the US than in Russia. That is what I have seen and that is my opinion. So give Destroyer of Illusions an honest answer instead of dancing around some other song.

 

The US destroyed Capitalism because of corruption.
Stalin destroyed Communism because of corruption.

Absolutely wrong!
* Khrushchev was a Socialist reformer, not a Capitalist.
* Gorbatjov was also a Socialist reformer, not a Capitalist.
* But yes ....... Yeltsin was an American dupe and a drunk.

 

Here's an interesting article. Russia may soon find US soldiers in Lithuania. Good Job, Putinka!

Permanent U.S. military presence needed to combat Russian menace, Lithuania says
Defense Minister Raimundas Karoblis: Trump is right to pressure NATO members to increase military spending

NATO soldiers of U.S. and Lithuania, right, take part in a military exercise ‘Saber Strike 2018’ at the Training Range in Pabrade some 60km (38 miles) north of the capital Vilnius, Lithuania, Monday, June 11, 2018. A major U.S.-led military ... more >

Ben Wolfgang - The Washington Times - Thursday, June 14, 2018
NEWSMAKER INTERVIEW:

Lithuania would welcome a more permanent U.S. troop presence within its borders to deter increasingly brazen Russian provocations, the Baltic nation’s defense chief said Thursday, stressing that Lithuanian forces are committed to backing American-led missions in Iraq and Afghanistan but need as much U.S. help as they can get at home.

Arguing that the U.S. and other NATO allies must beef up their military might in the Baltic states as a counterweight to Moscow, Lithuanian Defense Minister Raimundas Karoblis said he also supports Poland’s offer to pay up to $2 billion for the potential construction of an American base there. The Pentagon has remained quiet about such an offer.

In a wide-ranging interview with The Washington Times, Mr. Karoblis said President Trump is right to pressure NATO members — Germany in particular — to increase military spending and warned that Russian disinformation operations have grown “more sophisticated” since the 2016 U.S. election season.

While he was careful in his comments about Mr. Trump and Russia, the defense minister rejected the argument that Mr. Trump had been too soft on Russia and President Vladimir Putin. If anything, Mr. Karoblis said, Mr. Trump is navigating a turbulent and complicated relationship with a U.S. Cold War-era foe, which is probing continually along the border with front-line NATO states and U.S. allies from the Balkans to the Baltics.

 

Stalin was buried in restored overcoat. On the Internet there is a description of the property of Stalin, left after his death. Look. Many books and nothing more. His guard was present at the inventory of Stalin's property after his death. Later he wrote: "Though I was still a small head then, but I think I'm richer." (If I'm not mistaken, the name of his guard is Novak.).... What kind of corruption? All the corrupt officials were sent to the Gulag.
But Khrushchev - it really was an greedy and stupid bastard. The same scum and Gorbachev.

 

A Czech?

Stalin was not sent to the Gulag. He destroyed Socialism and made it horrible.

Bull ****. He was a Socialist Reformer who wanted to remove Stalinism from the Soviet Union.

Gorbatjov was a hero who also wanted to reform Socialism and remove Stalinism from the USSR.