Ohio: Four Illegal Alieans Kidnap and Rape Teenage American Sisters

What a load. State and local prisons are loaded with illegals.

 

Your facts aren't actually facts either. Give me some facts on "crimes committed" and who did them. You can't because no one has definitive numbers on who committed the "crimes committed." The only facts are "crimes convicted." And you have to get caught to be convicted.

So give me a definitive number on illegal aliens by area. You can't. It is impossible to know the actual number of illegal aliens precisely because they are undocumented. Sure, you can estimate the number, but garbage in, garbage out.

 

I provided you a link documenting two studies on the matter. Did you bother to read it? Do you have any refutation of the data therein?

 

You mean Trump fooled us ?

 

80% of mass murders using guns are committed by legal registered gun owners, and Mitch the bitch says there is nothing congress can do to address the issue.One can only presume that the reason nothing can be done is because NRA money pouring in from Russian contributors is just to great a source of GOP campaign finance

 

From your link:

There are not readily available nationwide statistics on all crimes committed by immigrants in the country illegally. Researchers have provided estimates through statistical modeling or by extrapolating from smaller samples. One such study backs the president’s claim, but several others support Sanders’ statement.

When anyone can prove who committed the crimes that go unsolved, then the facts of the matter can be presented. Until then, studies are simply speculation. When anyone can prove the number of illegals by area, then the facts can be presented. Until then, studies are simply speculation. And you should not be arguing as if this speculation is fact.

 

That's not from the link I provided you. Here it is again:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lly-commit-more-crime/?utm_term=.e514d30df647

Try again.

 

There may have been lives saved by illegals, but I think the media would have certainly made us aware of them.

You present no data on the per capital crime rate among illegals vs native- born, so this assertion is without merit.

 

As long as you are throwing links around here is one. This one seems to find illegals commit a great deal of crime. I also noted in a earlier link it showed over 37,000 illegal aliens in Texas were arrested for crimes and someone said that is good. How can 37,000 arrests be anything but proof that these people should not be in our country?

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/illegal-immigrant-crime-rates/

 

Ah, the old "I'm not aware of it, so it didn't happen, because if it DID happen, the liberal media would have told me."

Here are several examples. Apparently the "liberal" media did not make you aware of them:
https://www.univision.com/univision...mented-heroes-never-mentioned-by-donald-trump

Read on. I do indeed provide data on that.

 

This is the most jackass argument of them all. If 10 illegals come here and commit crimes you're arguing that it's ok if enough come here that dont commit crimes so they kind of offset eachother.

Also, i got a nice little fact for you. That's not saving lives. Lower percentage does NOT mean lives are being saved. Please attempt to explain to us all who's being saved. Of all the people killed by illegals you're arguing that had they not been here, even more would have died. It does not get any more ignorant than that.

 

Again, you'uns overlook the fact if our borders were enforced those particular rapists wouldn't be here.

 

Well, sounds like you could care less about these sisters getting raped. 10% of our population are illegal immigrants, yet 32% of our incarcerated felons are illegal immigrants. You seem fine with this illegal immigrant free for all, the rapes they commit here, and the rapes they endure getting here.

Well, you are out of your mind, and the Electorate isn't with you, at all, on this, and why would they be?

 

Er, yeah. That's kind of how it works, if the argument being made about illegal immigration is that "we have to stop it because they commit crimes."

If illegal aliens as a group kill 2 people but save the lives of 4 other people, that's a net 2 people who are alive because of illegal aliens. Meaning in that case we are better off because of the presence of illegal aliens.

Want to make a "they endanger citizens" argument about illegal immigration? Great. But look at BOTH crimes committed and crimes prevented. Don't just cherry-pick the negative stuff.

 

Thank you

 

Oh my god. While Breitbart wasn't looking the "alieans" had replicated an extra one and were now four.

Trump had better catch them quickly because at the compound replication rate of 33% a day they will number 5000+ in a month and overrun the USA in a year.

 

Mystified by google?

https://www.google.com/search?q=Pho...d.&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Just highlight the claim, right click it, and select google search, even a dummy can do it!

 

Again, you stated "Here's an inconvenient fact for you: illegals commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans." I disagreed that what you stated is a fact. Now, if what you stated isn't actually what you meant to say, then by all means correct it so we can discuss what you are actually trying to say.

My contention is that what you said is not a fact. What you said is not proven to be a fact in the studies you linked to.

As I stated in Post # 16: "If it is indeed a fact that illegals commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans, that would be attributed to sheer numbers. The estimated 11.4 million illegals probably do commit fewer crimes than 300 million U.S. citizens. That is simply a numbers thing." So, I conceded that your statement taken literally could be a fact, but it really doesn't have any meaning - because it absolutely would be expected that a population of 300 million would commit more crimes than approximately 11.4 million people.

Then in Post# 16, I stated "If you actually intended to write "per capita, illegals commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans" well, that has some holes too. There are no statistics which can put numbers to the crimes "committed." It is impossible to know who committed all the crimes that are never solved."

In your link, the first graph contains data on convictions, not crimes committed. Your statement referred to crimes committed, not convictions. Therefore, a graph of "convictions" cannot be used to support your claim of "crimes committed". Committed and convicted are two different things.

In the second study, the claim is that more illegal immigrants in an area lead to less crime. Since there is no way to definitely determine the number of illegal aliens in any given area, using an estimate of that number obviously results in a study that is not factual. At best, it is an estimate. And it could be way off. In addition to the problem with the data, your link stated that correlation is not necessarily causation. And therefore, cannot be a "fact."

Your link presents "studies," not a presentation of the actual facts as related to your claim that illegal aliens commit less crime than Americans.

Now, it may be true that illegal aliens commit less crimes per capita, but there is simply no way to know with the data we have available.

There is one thing that can be said though: The total number of crimes committed in the United States would be lower if there were no illegal aliens in the country. Now that is a fact.

 

At raytri:

Would you please be so kind to restate what you intended in Post #7 because perhaps I misunderstood what you meant.

 

And how many Americans have kidnapped and raped other Americans this year from coast to coast? Much more than four I am sure. This is why places like Breibart aren't taken for anymore than just satire. Abolishing ICE is not advocation for open borders, this spin needs to die like now. Your really want to drain the swamp? Start with ICE.

 

Know for certain? No. But as best as we can guess using available data? Yep.

A useless fact. There would be less crime in America if there were less Americans, that's also fact.

 

Sure they do!

Got proof?

 

Are you suggesting that because the source I chose was Brietbart that two American teens weren't kidnapped and raped by four illegal aliens? Dude......even CNN has covered this story.......there's this new app called 'Google'......have your kids teach you how to use it and get back to me...

 

OK.

One can always try to prove anything with statistics. I too have read reliable sources that say illegal aliens commit fewer crimes than citizens. So if you add in the illegals to the population of citizens, their demographic does reduce the overall crime rate.

But there are two things you are not mentioning ...

(1) The presence of illegal aliens increases the overall number of crimes committed in our country.

(2) If those 3 illegals had not been here in the first place, those two American teenage girls would not have been kidnapped and raped.

I doubt very much that you would be talking about "crime rates" if these victims were your daughters.

The other thing that I find disappointing is that many American citizens don't really realize that, as a national family, they are our daughters.

Seth

 

No, what I'm saying is it's pathetic to pounce on four Americans being raped by illegals when more than likely, in a same kind of Google search, you can find the ratio of citizens doing the same thing is greater.