Ohio: Four Illegal Alieans Kidnap and Rape Teenage American Sisters

So then you agree that raytri's statement of "Here's an inconvenient fact for you: illegals commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans" is indeed false?

Not useless. Illegal aliens should not be here and should be deported. It would be more difficult to deport American citizens. I am in favor of tougher sentencing on all violent criminals though, lock them up and throw away the key, and in a lot of cases, the death penalty would work just fine.

 

I specifically asked you how them being here saves lives. What lives are saved by allowing illegals to enter this country?

 

Another issue that possibly skews the studies of crimes committed by illegals versus crimes committed by U.S. citizens is that many crimes are unreported and many crimes aren't solved. Here is some info from PewResearch:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...t-and-property-crimes-in-the-u-s-go-unsolved/

According to Pew, less than half of crimes are solved. If that is true, there would possibly be a large error in any study relating crime rates. How does one know who committed the large number of unsolved crimes? Concerning that, I would think that an illegal alien would have a much better chance of evading the authorities. Escape back across the border would be a good possibility. And how many of those are repeat offenders?

And that makes an excellent case for shutting down the borders.

 

That doesnt make it ok. Citizens are going to commit crimes at a certain rate. That will always be the case. That in no way justifies allowing illegals in because their rate might be lower. We can't do anything about citizens before they commit a crime, but we can do something about illegals before they commit a crime. Do you get it........at all?

You lefties refuse to think about the positions you take. You get your marching orders and without thought blindly take your position and argue away regardless of how illogical it is.

 

How can illegals 'reduce' the crime rate if in fact they're not being processed? That doesn't make sense.

 

I am all for allowing people who want to work in this country to come here provided they announce themselves at the door and go through a background check. I don't know how anyone could possibly be against this. Its reasonable to think that illegals would be less likely per capita to commit crimes because that would draw attention to themselves and/or their families. However, it is undeniable that if you removed the illegal immigrants you would LOWER the overall crime rate. Expand the work visas and let them come in LEGALLY and with some kind of background check, once again how could any sane person be opposed to that.

 

You can't do anything about the Americans that commit crimes, at least not till afterwards, you can however do something about crimes committed by illegals. Why would you be opposed to removing illegals and requiring them to do it legally?

 

Redneck crime and extremist right-wing crime will be reduced as these groups focus on illegals and are too busy to indulge in their normal criminal acts.

 

Here are some reasons why I am against it:

1. Labor is subject to supply and demand. When there is an overabundance of labor, wages will necessarily decrease because each laborer is competing against each other and whoever is willing to work cheaper will in general get the job. This is definitely true for the unskilled and semi-skilled. We already have an issue with workers earning a "living" wage. Flooding the country with more workers would simply lower wages even further.
2. Just how factual would a background check on a person from another country be? Is it even possible to get a background check on someone from El Salvador or Yemen or Russia, etc? How would we even know their real name to do a background check? How would we know the documents weren't fake? What would stop their governments from using the U.S. as a means to rid themselves of their criminals?
3. Your wording did not establish that there should be any limits on the number of alien workers that would be allowed in or how long they could stay. If there would be no limits, I think it is evident that the United States economy simply could not support a massive influx of immigrants. If you do agree there would be limits, how would we decide on who can come and who couldn't? And how long they could stay?
4. If they give birth while here, then the child becomes a citizen. What effect does this have on the parent? Does he/she get citizenship? Permanent resident status?
5. Much of the money earned by the immigrants would be sent to other countries. This would effect our economy.
6. There is too much traffic on my morning commute already.

 

Sshhh! Every time I ask the Lefties on this forum about the illegals they have invited to live in their neighborhood and their home, they get mad at me.

 

I do think about the positions I take. That’s why I know for a fact that the ratio of rapists and kidnappers isn’t these Mexicans, they’re American citizens as you’noted. Here is where the pothole is. When conservatives see a “illegal” commit the same crime as their own citizens, as little as the ratio is that illegals do that, conservatives act as if that happens everyday. How many citizens in Chicago do this vs Mexican immigrants? You hear of a violent crime in Chicago everyday. The fixation over illegals doing the same thing has to stop.

 

The legal process takes too damn long, four years to get an immigration visa is too long, a year is even unacceptable. Then the lack of a comprehensive asylum program is another reason this is such a big problem. Sending them back and telling them to enter legally with the system we have in place now isn’t going to fix anything.

 

How do you know it's false? That works both ways don't it? If he can't say for certain that illegals commit less crime then you can't say for certain they don't. As near as we can tell they don't.

You can't even do that either or there wouldn't be illegal aliens to begin with.

Thanks for explaining one of the things wrong with free market capitalism.

 

Crime statistics for illegal aliens are incomplete

You can find studies that show crime rates are higher and lower

But no one really knows for sure

What is indisputable is that every crime committed by an illegal alien was preventable by keeping illegals out of this country

Every single rape and murder of a young girl by illegal aliens DID NOT HAVE TO HAPPEN

 

democrats...making America great one rape at a time.

 

Dems want to protect rapists and drug smugglers. They want to expand their base.

 

I didn’t read he whole thread but, “who cares how many rapes and murders illegals commit when citizens are committing them all the time?”

Typical Liberal response used here, and on Facebook and even on TV, all the time to justify violence Black lives, minority lives, anyone’s life only matters when it suited them. Others they don’t give a ****.

 

Well, if the illegal immigrants weren't here they wouldn't be committing crime at all and thus inflating the crime statistics at all, would they?

 

But but but.....White americans do that too.....

 

Not defending illegals but does any rape have to happen? I think that except for the criminally insane one will say no.

 

You do know that all illegals are not non White? There are Russian illegals here and I am sure Russian ilegals commit rape.

 

Yes

For liberals the attitude is to hell with the victims of illegal aliens

We - meaning liberals - are pursuing the greater good of social change through the browning of America

 

Yes, half of illegals are not Mexican. My point was rhetorical. Its the common response to the article like this to say "white Americans" to excuse the crime of illegals. The part they leave out, like when speaking on crimes committed by black men, is that a higher percentage of illegals are criminals than white americans.

 

It is impossible to observe men on the streets and pick out who the next rapist will be

So yes in a free society where citizens are presumed innocent till proven guilty rapes will happen

So will murder and robbery

What we can know is who is in the country illegally

And 100% of the crimes they commit are preventable simply by not allowing them to be here

 

Sounds great! But not true.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/26/illegals-commit-crimes-double-rate-native-born-stu/