Under what conditions we need a revolution/civil war?

The A Team.


(Where "A" is for Airsoft).

 

no, i did not

 

Interesting, what is you basis for claiming every gun owner in America is on one side?

 

What we have today is people along with our two major political parties moving, one to the extreme far left, the other to the extreme far right. We have approximately 30% on one side, 30% on the other with 40% caught somewhere in the middle.The problem is the two smaller portions of our population control our government. Thus making those in the middle forced to choose, at least at election time which extreme candidate they will vote for.

There is no happy medium anymore. Will a civil war or revolution occur, no. Whichever side is in charge or controls government will crack down very heavily. Sure there will probably occur riots and demonstrations, but those will also be dealt with. Democracy as we know it will cease to exist.

Unless the two major parties and their die hards, start moving back towards middle America, start cooperating with each other once again, the future is bleak indeed. Our two major parties gave us in 2016 the two most disliked by America as a whole candidates for president in this country's history. That will continue until we reach a breaking point.

 

I was indicating that of the radical sides left and right, the radical right is smaller in number, therefore the middle has more numbers. Why is stating that FACT a problem?

 

If most citizens of a state want to leave and the rest of the United States refuse to let them leave peacefully. Granted, the desire would have to be pretty strong. Are we divided enough that it's worth risking life? Probably. But if the rest of the country doesn't let a state leave, the blood is on their hands.

 

Over-simplistic. We had better weapons than the Vietnamese. Who won that one?

 

It really wasn't Obama, certainly not anything he did, but maybe who he was. He brought the racists out. It certainly was rolling with Bush Jr, and I think it started with congressional republicans, esp Newt, versus Clinton. And Fox News.

 

Possibly, but I disagree that Obama didn't play a role. When he would weigh in on a police shooting on the side of the citizen without any information at all, he was causing a sense that there was racism there. When in fact evidence and eye witnesses backed the police. Obama fanned those flame if they were already started.

 

We did. Next question.

 

The only reason we lost the Vietnam war was because we did not go into North Vietnam and get rid of the problem. Instead we chose to fight a defensive war and hold them at a line. Winning a defensive war is like playing chicken in 2 vehicles at a high rate of speed....the winner is the one that does not flinch.....and we flinched. The death toll for us got to be to much before it got to be to much for the North Vietnamese.

If you want a war with few casualties, you have to be in it to get rid of the problem, not keep the problem at bay.

 

We did - we forced North Vietnam to the table, forced them to agree to a peace treaty, and then we left.
After this, the North broke the treaty invaded the south.

 

Vietnam? No we lost except in the sense of who had more deaths. But like they said: With a 10:1 kill to death ratio, Americans don't care about the 10, they care about the 1.

 

That means they won, albeit underhandedly, but how else can they win against the most advanced country in the world. The strategy is much the same as the tactics. The tactics were to mostly fight when you can ambush and make close contact rather than fight openly.

 

.. a war we didn't fight.
The war we did fight, they lost.

 

I'll put it this way. It's not that our military lost the battles, but we did lose the war. North Vietnam achieved its objective in unifying the country. One could argue it's because America lacked the will to go back after they broke the treaty (and the original objective was stupid to begin with), but however you achieve victory, it's the result that counts.

 

The South Viets lost the second war, after we left.
The war we fought, we won.

 

Not if you define it based upon outcome. They just used a trick to get rid of us. Their strategy worked and they won.

 

The outcome of the war we fought: The enemy was forced to the table to negotiate a treaty to end said war. Win.
The war someone else fought: Irrelevant to the above.

 

When the Federals ignore the Constitution
for the expansion of their authority.

For example.
The Federal occupation of Rocky Mountain and Pacific States.
Territories organized into States, yet still occupied.
The Federals should only be managing D.C. and territories
although I'm big enough to give them military bases. But NOT 50%+ of some States!




The 10th Amendment.
Healthcare is a power reserved for the States.
California did a better job of indigent medical care before 1964 MediCaid and at lower cost.
Education is a power reserved for the States.
Before Federal testing and CORE curriculum, California did the best job of education.
But, the Feds caused teachers not allowed to teach. They had to create "testmanship".


With continuous hegemony on authority not granted to the Federals plus factual disobedience to the Bill of Rights (a copy of this upload is no file at the Federal facility in Utah) how could "we the people" have waited this long not to rebel against the Federals.
It is the frog in a pan of water slowly brought to boiling effect. It could be worse, I could have evoked Hitler's assumption of powers. Step by step. A little more for "security".





oops, sorry, I didn't notice it was a @Ronstar thread.

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The sources I come across never say we "won" vietnam, but whatever makes you feel better about it. It's absolutely true it wasn't the fault of our military. It was a bad mission, not a bad performance.

 

When they (the government) tries a final push to take our guns. I don't think the military would back the government is such a case.

 

IT was a politicians failure, not the military.

 

This is a fools failure thinking. Look up Chamberlain and Hitler appeasement. You have to fight well before you reach that point. If they go after the rest of the guns and those with detachable clips, it is time to fight while you got the capacity.

 

Every member of the military has sworn an oath to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.

They will join the side that is defending the Constitution, which includes the 2A.