Under what conditions we need a revolution/civil war?

"You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about...That's why I believe, if we are fortunate enough to win back the House and or the Senate, that's when civility can start again. But until then, the only thing that the Republicans seem to recognize and respect is strength."
- Hillary Clinton
Sounds -very- unifying.

 

Ah, I see, if I disagree with you I'm a moron and if I point out where you said what you said I'm a liar, either way I'm a POS. Tell it to the howling aether, you whiney little whatever

 

Peace cannot always be achieved or afforded where war is the only alternative.

For me this is how I see things going for the future of the United States.

1. Racial, ethnic, and cultural conflict brewing, racial relations deteriorating. [We're already there.]

2. A huge political divide where politics are irreconcilable towards one another. [We're already there.]

3. National and global economic collapse with massive income or wealth inequality thrown in the mix. [We're well on our way there presently, only a little more in reaching that final destination.]

4. An inept, foolish, and chaotic government unable to implement anything beneficial to society as a whole. [We're already there also.]

 

Or an economic collapse where they try to implement martial law in the aftermath.....

 

We're beyond the prospects of peace, political reform, or reasonable dialogue amongst the population in this country. That ship sailed away a long time ago and is never coming back for the foreseeable future.

 

Donald Trump is our American version of Gorbachev. It's not apparent to most people now but soon it will be....

 

Once the economic collapse occurs and there is massive starvation or hunger rioting I assure you that will change rather quickly. Civil unrest is always a precursor to civil war.

 

I assure you that most of the armed criminal street gangs in urban areas vote predominantly democrat.

 

That won't happen, the global elite would like nothing more than armed civil war of Americans killing other Americans so that they can all pivot to Asia setting up their new headquarter operations over there.

The west is imploding including the United States all by design as the global elite favor a Chinese communist societal model for human civilization around the world.

The dollar dies as the world reserve currency where the Chinese yuan becomes the new world reserve currency standard.

 

Maybe, maybe not.....

In Venezuela with a collapse economy soldiers and police personnel are seen looting their neighbors. Military personnel in the end will care more about providing for their own families above all else even if that means slaughtering them or stealing from others.

The United States military is no longer predominantly conservative anymore either as there are plenty of liberals or democrats in its ranks. It is not so hard for me to imagine whatsoever of United States soldiers firing upon American civilians, anybody that thinks otherwise is naive.

 

They are minor in the big picture of things. There's more of us then them.

 

They might make up a smaller portion of the population but they shouldn't be underestimated either. Never underestimate your opposition or opponents, that's a mistake especially in warfare.

 

If it came down to it and the population had to revolt against the government the military would break apart and many would join their friends and family in the revolt just like what happened in the civil war.

 

Under what conditions we need a revolution/civil war?

The President decides to make us a dictatorship.

 

Be honest enough & open-minded enough to ask yourself what motivated Hillary to make such a statement. She had good reasons.

 

And thus, you admit the error of you statement, as clearly not ALL leftists are leftists are inclusivists who believe everyone counts & everyone should be included and seek unity rather than divisiveness or separateness.

 

Consider for a moment what Trump did within the past few days. The Senate actually passed a bill addressing the opioid crisis with a vote of 98 to 1. The one no vote was cast by a Republican, which means EVERY DEMOCRAT voted with Republicans to pass the bill. Yet Trump praised the bill and claimed it was passed by Republicans against Democratic opposition. Where most Presidents would have praised the two party cooperation, Trump finds a way to lie about it to his supporters as a means of promoting further political division across America. I'm proud that we passed a bill with support from both parties. I AM a liberal who values inclusivity. I feel there's too much division in America today already. We don't need more. I doubt most conservatives would agree with me. But the divisions have the potential to do permanent damage to us as a nation & a society. I don't want that to happen.

 

Be specific. Exactly what damage has he done? You don't think Obama did more to separate this country than any other president in history?

 

None of this changes the matters of fact laid out in my post.
Your statement was erroneous, as proven by the quote I provided.

 

No, Obama was not a divider. Obama was a good man and a good President. The only thing Obama did to divide the nation was to dare to be black. That irritated white nationalists, who then wasted their lives and ours finding everything they could regard as wrong, that they could blame him for. I saw McConnell announce just after the inauguration that Republicans would make a point to be as obstructionist with Obama as they could. They said this BEFORE Obama had any opportunity to do anything they would regard as offensive--other than being black and Democrat. I can think of nothing Obama did that would deserve the comment in your post. If you can tell me and/or forum readers what Obama did that deserves such contempt, please enlighten us.

 

Your opinion is less than universal.
https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+divider&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1

Who among Obama's political opponents would have accepted his policies/agenda if he were white?
Be specific and support your responses.

 

It's simple. The majority of Americans voted for Obama which would suggest a minority of Americans didn't like him as President. A minority of Americans voted for trump which would suggest a majority of Americans didn't want him as president.

All you have to do is the math to see which President pleased/displeased the majority.

 

The US military by law is banned from taking part in domestic disputes. That is the role of Homeland Security. It is interesting that the Obama Administration purchased more ammunition for the Dept of Homeland Security than they did for the US Military. The Military at that time was involved in a couple of wars. Homeland Security is well armed, well trained and ready to step in if asked. The Dept of Homeland Security is made up of Law Enforcement types and is by and large a very conservative base. They would love to get a chance at the street game scum.

 

If you are right, then Republican obstructionism during the Obama years was a new political policy on their part. It was a policy of no compromise; win at any cost; political opponents are no longer patriotic Americans; make every issue an excuse for conflict and never let opponents forget, "it's my way or the highway." Republicans before 2010 weren't like that. They cared more for their country than personal victories. The had values they regarded as universal and which applied to themselves as well as the nation. They worked across the aisle to make laws that benefited the country as a whole, not just the wealthy & corporate interests. Republicans have changed--and NOT for the better. They've become self-serving, selfish, non-compassionate, hard hearted, uncompromising, embittered, highly judgmental & quick to disregard & disrespect an opposing opinion. They're also changing the country to become more like themselves. For me, that's NOT making America "great again." Just the opposite. America's greatness has always lain in the high ideals we presented to the world and the times we tried to live those ideals ourselves. America's greatness isn't based on it wealth or its military might. America's greatness was always based on its commitment to human rights, its willingness at times to strive to live them, and its efforts to convince other nations around the world that human rights were more important than any other measure of a nation's greatness. Under Trump and his supporters, we're rapidly losing that, and America's greatness along with it.

 

What parts of my post did you disagree with? Just curious.