Hurricane Florence

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  1. Pants

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    Sincere question: do you live in a hurricane or flooding zone? Have you ever been in a situation where you had to evacuate?
     
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    Shouldn't we all be grateful that Florence slowed down so that folks didn't have the predicted winds to contend with along with the surge and flooding? Typically, hurricanes gather strength over water - so no one could predict that it would drop from a 4 to a 2 or 1 before landfall. Yep, ALL the media was wrong. And for that, we should be grateful.
     
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    Residents had better get back soon, before the looters take all of their stuff and trash their houses. Maybe the media should have stressed that before the hurricane.
     
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    Don't worry about us - we're in Wales - but we're waiting to hear the family.
     
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    BS. Utter, laughable BS. We've seen it before. Rapid de-intensification approaching landfall. But that doesn't sell hype, or ad space, or glued to the weather channel viewers, does it? And no, not all the media were wrong. Lots of media just never engaged in the hype that is being criticized here. Spare us the sanctimonious martyrdom here. No one needs it. I'll put a superfine point on it. For every time Lester et al intone the end of the world BS, they chip away at their own credibility, for sure. But they also do something far more damaging, they create indifference then. The next time, when a big one does in fact land, and folks will have ignored lester et al, because why give them the time of day when they so obviously were so hysterical the last time when it turned out so demonstrably that they were so egregiously wrong? F that. These mouth breathers are damaging society in their vanity. For me, that's irrecoverable. Fire the lot of them and make sure that the public are aware of just how shitty their actions were and how seriously media take their responsibility to not whip folks up to a frenzy when it isn't necessary.
     
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    Locals should be rethinking evacuation if possible. Businesses in large, more hurricane proof buildings should offer shelter for employees and their families. This helps the business get back to work quicker and keeps the employees closer to home to recover ASAP. It also slows down looters. It's not a solution, but it would help. An airdrop of MREs is cheaper than the wasted time and gas, lost time from work, dealing with looters, and letting storm damage and looters continue to rot your house while you are kept away by the authorities.
     
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    And how much kw's of power will be a danger to linemen? A portable generator capable of 5kw at 115v?
     
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    New Bern is located in a real bad spot - I can't believe those people didn't get out of there...
     
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    Oh lighten up Francis! I live smack dab in the middle of a hurricane zone, and have seen all kinds of ridiculous reporting. No one has died from it. But plenty could if we didn't have reporting. Just like all the political reporting, weather forecasting has become drama. Deal with it!
     
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    I say better safe than sorry. Let the people decide, but they shouldn't expect to be rescued if they don't err on the side of caution. Threatening not to send rescue teams in once the storm starts and then doing it anyways is what gives people the belief they can stay home.
     
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    Absolutely! That’s more than enough to be deadly. To add to this, the EMS/paramedics for the lineman are going to be busy and spread thin anyway from the storm. Don’t take a chance. Besides, if you are the only house on the block with the lights on, expect the utility workers to inspect your system.
     
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    It's amperage that kills, not voltage. How far down a grid will 115v send amperage from a portable generator before it quickly drops off from the friction of the line?
     
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    I thought they provided 2 hots and a ground. The neutral is bonded to ground at a single point near the distribution box for a return path for current to ground. Your incoming ground is attached to a grounding rod at your meter. I'm not a residential electrician, but I do work in a related industrial field.
     
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    They provide a neutral. All of your ground circuits in your home are connected, along with your grounding rod or UFER to the ground buss in your panel. All of your neutral circuits in your home are connected along with the neutral from the pole, to the neutral buss. On your main panel, the ground buss and neutral buss are bonded together. The biggest requirement for backfeeding is a switch that is either generator or grid but for safety can not connect both. The neutral switching may or may not be required based on the type of generator used.

    Best to hire a licensed electrician and get a permit from your building department and have it inspected.
     
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    You would have to ask a lineman his opinion on that.
     
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    Noted.
     
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    Hmm... I guess you didn't learn a thing from Andrew or Katrina then.
     
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    Nope, just 45 minutes ago CNN's leed-in graphic was a two day old cone of probability chart from ths National Hurricane Center. It had Cat 4 over the storm, Cat 4 at the 12 hour mark, Cat 4 at the 24 hour mark and Cat 4 slamming into rhe coast. Big red and yellow scary graphics. The stories, in order. 1) FEMA chief contradicts Trump. 2) Florence devistating blow. 3)Puerto Rico Mayor we need more money. Climate change leading to distruction. Puerto Rico chef blames Trump.

    The two day old graphic was about like this but all horror show scary with motion and wind and Mike Tyson.

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    Too much!
     
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    Have to agree here. I just watched left wing media spend an entire week using the storm in an attempt to strike fear, and politicize this as if it would change folks. Selling ad time based on the ability to whip the hype of it.
     
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    Please don't politicize my posts.
     
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    They started way too early and fed their own damn echo chamber. This harms people in two ways. Firstly, just traveling in haste kills as does moving patients from old folks or rehabilitation care units, calling up the national guard or nailing up plywood shutters. Every evacuation HAS a death toll! Secondly, over hyping these events causes people to become complacent, next cry of wolf will be acknowledged by the collective sound of a million people opening a beer or smoking a bowl.

    MSM needs to get out of the weather / catastrophe business. Read the damn NOAA NHC advisories only, if you must. When these non-meteorologist bimbos and talking heads start opining and editorializing they really need to be charged with practicing a profession without a license.

    The tail wagging the dog. When the media starts to hype weather events the professional forecasters and government officials are boxed into a corner. Especially when the tropical depression is 1,100 miles and 4 days from landfall. The meteorologists can't turn a evacuating population around, not after all the major news media sites have been sensationalizing the Mike Tyson 10,000,000,000,000 gallon deluge that is Flo for three ****ing days! It aught to be a crime!

    Forcasting is still part art form and part science, the meteorologists at the national weather services cannot state with certainty where a hurricane is going to make landfall and at what strength four (4) days out! If one looks at the archives of the advisories for Flo the track deviations from forcast were over 100+ miles at each iteration, every 3 hours!

    Could you imagine the horror show if NHC said the media guessing was wrong and to stop evacuating? They dont know so they have to let it run, even if they know the media is dead wrong. Tail wagging the dog!


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    This must have been aired last night when NHC advisory #57 said Florence had lost her Flo and was just a mere wet tropical blow.
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    One more for fun. Seriously, last one.

    Hurricane Florence set to whip up POISONOUS snakes as Biblical storm hits US
    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/wo...venture-zoo-south-carolina-united-states-news

    MEGA storm Hurricane Florence is set to displace thousands of poisonous snakes from South Carolina as it crashes into the US mainland.

    By Anders Anglesey / Published 14th September 2018

    The monster cyclone could uproot up to 38 different species of snake – including the deadly copperhead viper – from where they live along the US coastline.

    Thad Bowman, A member of Alligator Adventure Zoo in South Carolina, said flooding caused by Florence could lead many of the snakes to move from their natural habitats.

    He added people should not be out during the storm, “but if you are bit by a snake, get to a hospital as soon as possible”.

    Many hospitals will be closed during the storm, however.

    “It can cause death”

    Gerald O’Malley
     
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    They really butchered and over-hyped the forecast on this one.

    Here in the Old Dominion our new governor who is still wet behind the ears took the bait and ordered a mandatory evac in some areas around Virginia Beach. Now the storm is here, the evac order has been lifted and people are wandering around the beach checking out the surf. Talk about jumping the gun. Here in southern Virginia we were told that we were looking at up to 20" of rain and at the rate we're going we'll be lucky to get an inch. For us it's been exactly what you described - just a mere wet tropical blow.

    Well, at least we got a big Sharknado out of this. Tara Reid can use some work. :lol:

    "Deadly copperhead viper"? :omfg:

    I live in Copperhead Central and while they're nothing to play around with their bites are rarely deadly. You'd probably have to play kissy face with one and get bit multiple times for it to kill you, and who is stupid enough to do that? They usually keep to themselves and if I encounter an aggressive one I'll shoot it - I don't pick it up and play with it.
     
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    3 fatalities including a woman and her baby who were killed when a tree fell into their house. The third death involved a woman who had a heart attack - not sure how that is associated with the storm but I guess I'll find out.

    600,000 without power - USA Today reporting that 3 million are expected to get knocked off-grid

    Morehead City looking pretty rough right now...
     
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    New Bern too
     

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