What is the difference between an Islamic vs a Christian terrorist?

The liberal elements that exist in certain Muslim societies are not necessarily outgrowths of any accepted strains of Islam, but in fact represent a relaxation of Islamic principles. Cultural differences, in other words, depend on just how Islamic the societies in question are.

 

This is a correct assumption.
Muslim societies all over the world are different
But they are all killing each other, because the other one is a "Bad Muslim".


This is why I encourage people to learn about the religion from the documented sources, and then they can evaluate the different sects.
Not learn what one group says and pretend that is Islam.

 

As the president of Turkey said, there is no 'moderate' Islam, there is only Islam. The very term insulted him. This from the country that hasn't yet admitted to, let alone apologized for, the Armenian Genocide a little over 100 years ago. He once threatened the Pope when he mentioned that crime.

Imagine if Germany was still defending the Jewish Holocaust.

 

That's correct.
Islam is a terrorist organazation

 

And then again........

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

 

The same could be said of Judaism. It is not like there is regular stoning of Adulterers in Israel these days - as per Mosaic Law.

This has to do with the root cause "Evil" that I have been harping on. There is a difference between 1) having a religious belief, and 2) forcing that belief on others through law - physical violence.

The Jewish people of to day understand this distinction .. they have separation of Church and State. This is the whole point of separation of Church and State ... recognition that it is wrong to force religious beliefs on others through physical violence - Law.

This is the primary evil within Islamist ideology - they believe they are justified in forcing religious beliefs on others through Law. aka "Sharia".

We do not need to get into the blatherings of Muhammad or the blaltherings in other religious texts to understand this principle. The religious texts are what they are.

So long as one does not try to force the rules in those religious texts on others through physical violence - Law - they are not a problem. As soon as extremists try to do just that - this is where the evil lies.

The Islamist "Hates" individual liberty ... that is why the Islamist is evil. Not because of some religious text.

 

So why bring it up as if it were relevant to this conversation?

They hate because they are following their religious text.

 

That refers to personal relations, not foreign policy. Bush turned his cheek plenty of times against hateful leftist attacks.

 

If you wouldn't mind please cite a bible verse that says turning the other cheek only applies to personal relations.

 

Of course its relevant to the conversation. How the fact that not all religious people follow religious texts .. not relevant to a conversation about following religious texts ?

In many ways this is true but so what ? - many people "hate" without going out and using physical violence on the people they dislike. Hate is not terrorism - nor is it violence.

What is your excuse for your hate BTW ? Why do you "hate" ?

Regardless - none of this changes the fact that the root cause of evil is forcing ones religious beliefs on others through physical violence.

 

I don't.

And that is almost exclusively an Islamic issue.

 

Jesus said when explaining that passage, "When YOU.....". He never told the government to do anything, and commended the faith of Roman officers. Wouldn't He have told them to get a new occupation if your interpretation was accurate? Maybe say 'go and sin no more'?

 

Yes you do - you do not have to be honest with me but at least be honest with yourself.

It is not almost exclusively an Islamist issue. Keep in mind that not all of Islam want Sharia (which is why it is proper to use the term Islamist - rather than generalize to all of Islam) You would not want people generalizing the characteristics of Westboro Baptists to all of Christianity - so do not do the same to other religions. You know "do unto others as you would have done to you" - the rock on which Jesus based his teachings.

Today in the USA we have large numbers of Christians on the religious right wanting to force at least some of their religious beliefs on others through physical violence - "LAW".

Religious right Christians want to force women - against their will - using physical violence "Law" - to carry an unintended pregnancy to term

This is just one example - there are numerous others.

 

Bunk, typical LW name calling in an attempt to shut down debate.

Really, any idea what percentage of religious terror attacks are Muslim?

Majorities in most Muslim nations want Sharia Law to be the law of the land, according to Pew Research. https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30...ligion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

Really dumb analogy, you're comparing a 50 member church (most are related) as if it has anything to do with 2,300,000,000 Christians globally. I don't see how their actions follow Jesus's teachings, millions of Islamists do follow the word and deed of the bloody prophet.

Have never heard of such a movement.

The violence is against the unborn child, there have been tens of millions of such murders in the US alone. It isn't just a Christian thing, long before Christ lived the Hippocratic Oath condemned abortion. I know of nobody in the pro-life movement who advocates violence.

I doubt it, I actually haven't gotten one example.

 

Well what about "If your enemy is hungry feed him" - is that limited to individuals.

 

It was spoken to individuals. We will be judged individually, if a nation does a good act the individual doesn't get 'credit' come Judgement Day, nor do they get blame for a bad act.

 

So how do you get from individuals turning the other check and feeding their enemies to a nation comprised of these same individuals killing their enemies?

The Bible says governments are established by God so how can one government established by God fight another government established by God and adhere to the Bible?

 

faith in god is a clinic

 

Killing our enemies isn't always wrong, it happened in the OT regularly. Again, Jesus never told the government to do anything, why would He want to start now? Is it your position that US foreign and domestic policy be run according to the Bible?

Where is that happening?

 

It was not my position to run anything via the Bible. It was the position of W. Bush. Hence his praying before wiping out Iraq.

And where is it happening you ask? Well in the above example, per the Bible, the Iraq government Bush went to war with was established by God. The Bible says all rulers are put in place by God. Saddam was a ruler. Therefore, he was put in place by God. Bush was a ruler. Therefore, he was put in place by God. So according to the Bible it appears that wars are two sides created by God fighting each other for his glory and entertainment.

 

That is about the stupidest comment I've ever heard here, and that's saying something. Is that all that's stopping you from becoming a Christian?

Next you'll be asking if God can make a rock so big He can't lift it. Again, you confuse personal commands with foreign policy, which Jesus said nothing about. God would say to a Christian living in Saddam's Iraq to obey the governing authorities, as long as their rules didn't violate God's rules.

 

"Most nations" is not all nations. Trying to apologize for hate is not exactly the kind of thing one who does not hate does - but, you keep telling yourself what you like.

It is not a dumb analogy. It is a correct analogy. If you do not like others generalizing traits of extremist on you - regardless of how many extremists there are - don't do it to others. You committed a generalization fallacy and now are trying to rationalize this fallacy.

You have never heard of the anti abortion movement ? Now we are talking some serious disingenuous BS.

Then you go on to promote Christian "Myth" as if it constitutes reality - in an attempt to defend Christian Sharia. While the Pope may believe in the concept of ensoulment - that the single cell at conception has a soul - there is no way to prove this - it is a religious belief.

Trying to make a law on the basis of this belief = forcing religious beliefs on others through physical violence .. FULL STOP.

Until you can prove that the single human cell at conception is a living human - you have no legitimate business calling it a child for legal purposes.

The fact of the matter is that you can not prove your "The zygote is a Child" claim true but, even if you could the vast majority of religious right anti abortionists don't even know the most basic arguments - never mind being able to make a coherent argument. They are wanting to make law on the basis of "religious belief".

Prostitution is another example.
Prohitition yet another
Pot yet another
Sodomy and anything related to Gays yet another.

 

Yes, they are my favorite civil rights organization.

Pot, meet kettle.

There isn't any such thing, except maybe in your head.

What religion was Hippocrates?

Where is the violence, other than abortion?

If it isn't human, what is it?

So did Dr. ML King, and Wilberforce when he ended the slave trade. What motivates someone to cast a vote or influence public policy is none of your business.

Yet I bet you're OK with those who approve of those things BECAUSE OF their religious beliefs.

 

According to the near death experience account of Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D. the Jewish scholars listened to Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus - Issa on at least one topic!

http://www.thomastwin.com/6 A Thomas background.html

Thomas Twin page 194:

Your nomination for Nobel Prize in Literature?

 

If a ruler is put in place by god and issues rules that violate god's rules, does not god strike down this ruler? Why does Bush have to get involved?

Where is your Bible citation that says an individual has authority to decide if a rule by god's appointed ruler violates god's rule.