What is the difference between an Islamic vs a Christian terrorist?

The bibles depend on magic.

In Hindu they depend on technology

 

The Vedas do seem to describe technology.

 

Yes they do, they are very interesting.

My conclusion is,
Either these people had some great sci-fi writers, for the stone age book clubs.

Or these people witnessed something.

 

Not everyone knows of the terrorism in the Bible. And, they blithely skip over other stuff, too.

Again, the religion gets to determine what the central themes are and what they are not.

 

what do you do, just run out of things to say and repeat the same Bullsh-t.

I am not interested.

 

No, I think it is important to get beyond this religion BS and start thinking about what's actually going on.

We're conducting war in places where most citizens can't even find the place on a map.

And, other countries are contributing - it's not just us. I'm certainly not suggesting this is all our fault.

The thing is, when there is monumental injustice, there will be people who are radicalized. It does not matter what religion they espouse.

We've been bombing all over the ME for the last 15 years. We've promoted the ethnic cleansing in West Bank. We've supported the war against Gaza for well over a decade without pushing for ANY resolution - with even in the best of times having Gaza run as a giant open air penitentiary and at worst as a humanitarian disaster of no water, no electricity, no economy, bombed out houses with no building materials, no bleach for purification of water, no food, no medicine, etc., etc. We started a staggeringly anti-humanitarian civil war in Iraq. We've droned civilians in numerous countries. And, that's really not even all the "high points" of the tragedy of US involvement.

You can NOT stand back and blame that on those who live there. That was OUR contribution. And, the fact that some people got radicalized should be no surprise AT ALL.

Short form: it's not a matter of religion.

 

This is so far over your head you just cannot understand, and I doubt you will.
I am not arguing about Christians and what they do, I don't care.
I am not arguing about Muslims and what muslims do, I don't care.

I am arguing about what the religion tells the people to do.

You have to understand that, before we can go any further.

 

Yes, I'm not talking about Christians, either.

You are the one who keeps arguing that the problem is religion.

I'm saying there are numerous reasons for radicalization.

It doesn't take your ridiculous assumptions about Islam to explain the radicalization we see.

 

And what ridiculous assumptions are those

 

What does this have to do with anything ? Pssst, here is a tip, almost all of the worlds Christians try to observe the 10 commands and regard them as part of Christianity.

The idea that some OT law debate between Paul and the disciples was "settled" such that all OT law law was negated is patent nonsense. An exemption was given for very specific things such as circumcision.

Jesus settled the diatary issue, change the divorce law, the punishment for adultery and a whole bunch of other things. One thing he did not do was change the importance of following the commands - and in fact required it for entrance into heaven.

This however has nothing to do with Christianity being one of the most violent and repressive religions on the planet. What Jesus taught -and what Christians did/ do are completely separate conversations.

 

You are contradicting yourself.


The religion is not a violent religion.
what the people did is violent, but it is not taught in the religion.

Islam is different because violence is taught in the religion.

 

There is no contradiction in anything I said. The people of a religion are that religion as is the doctrine and dogma of that religion.

Torture was part of Christian doctrine = A Papal Bull.

Judaism has the same violence as Islam in their holy books yet - Jews do not act like Muslims. The teachings in a book and the actions of the people of that religion are two different things. What the religious text says -and the doctrine and dogma of a Religion are two separate things.

 

This is getting to dumb to respond to.

 

Did you eve n read the papal bull.
It's not that bad.
And regardless, it is catholic, and 1000 years after the founding of Christianity
Many Christians do not consider catholics to be Christian.
And BTW Islam tortures them to death


And the violence in Islam and Judism is not the same.
Nowhere near the same.

Judism could be written down in pages.

Islam takes volumes.

 

So that means Islam is an extremely violent, bloody religion, right?

 

I would say the OP specifically leaves the question open to what the goal posts are.

I think they only referred to "soldiers who kill for God and country". Pushing that to include law enforcement is interpretation on your part.

It seems strange that even when I've presented a full post of explanations, the idea that I believe what I say hasn't even registered among the your "logical possibilities". If you want to know the objection, go back and reread the 96% of my post which were left unanswered.

If we want to keep ourselves from "groupthink loyalty", we have to be able to consider other people's perspectives. It is important to understand how Al-Qaeda saw themselves as actors of national security, both because it will help us understand how people react to our actions, and because it trains us in recognising when our actions stop being justified. I comfortable in rejecting Al-Qaeda on objective grounds, I do not need the labels of terrorism and national security to make that decision for me. It seems to me kneejerking against considering that perspective would be groupthink.

I dispute you often, because you have well written and reasonably exhaustive posts about topics that interest me. I often go through pages of posts which do not interest me, even when I disagree with them, whereas in yours, I more often see points which I want to address.

 

I asked you what ridiculous assumptions about Islam am I making.

I can back up everything I say about Islam.

 

Indeed it is. It is a horrible religion in general. We could point to a few places where this is not the case - but in general this is a correct statement at this point in history.

This is not just about Muslim nations that have hoards of Muslim terrorists though. This is about any Muslim nation that is Islamist. Take Singapore for example. Many would - and have claimed - that this is an example of a non violent expression of Islam.

That is completely false. Singapore practices Sharia = forcing religious beliefs on people through physical violence (Law).

This is the root cause of evil - not some ramblings by Muhammad. It is the idea that it is OK to force religious beliefs on people through Law = physical violence.

 

Actually it can all be traced to Muhammed.
And he didn't write it.
It was written about him, by multiple authors including his child bride.


and Muhammed did force his religious belief's with a threat of Physical violence.
And he has the stacks of heads to prove it.

 

Of course it can be traced to Muhammad. Just because we can trace some crazy ramblings to the Moses - does not mean that people today have to follow those ramblings.

The root cause of this evil is trying to force religious belief (regardless of what religious ramblings we war talking about) on others through physical violence - Law being one of the primary ways that Islamist Muslim Societies do this.

 

Actually we can't trace anything to Moses, nor can we Muhammed.
Islam 's earliest writings are the Sir'at Rasual Allah, 125 years after Muhammed, and the only biography of Muhammed within 200 years of his lifetime.
However this is the standard Islam is written on.
And yes It emphasizes force, murder and thievery to advance Islam, and death if you leave.

Everything comes from these early writings.

 

Obviously - but this is not what people of those faiths believe. We are not talking about "what is" but what people believe.

 

Actually Muhammed is an important part of Islam,
They name their kids after him, without him the religion evaporates.

You have in the messenger a beautiful pattern of conduct to follow. ( Qur'an)


BTW, IMO, if everyone in America was forced to sit down and read the Sirat Rasul Allah,

every mosque in the country would be burnt down within a week.

 

No, so far you've totally failed.

Your first assumption is that YOU are the expert on the religion of someone else.

 

So you can't even answer up for your own statement.

BTW I am not an expert, nor an Islamic scholar.
It just seems that way to you because you're an id---.