The Party with No Ideas

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  1. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

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    Well to be fair as @Spooky says it actually took Trump a year to break the economy.
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    Hey look $2 a week!
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    But at least unemployment is still going down - well I guess Obama left it to close to zero.
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    But the market.....
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    But it's going to get better, right?
    Did someone say the yield curve just inverted?

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    But other than that.....
     
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    Where do you find such misinformation?

    Not only that #6 is a republican supported idea.
     
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    The Democratic Party has lots of ideas ... the same ideas already executed by Venezuela, where the results have been mind-boggling.
     
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    I stand corrected. :truce:
     
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    True or false - Federal revenue is higher than when Trump took office.
     
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    Myopic. Unwise, and poorly punctuated.
     
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    True!
     
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    Don't mean crap if you still spend more than you take in. Trump's economy is running on fake dollars just like Obama's was.
    Trump ain't nothin special. Now was the time to start taking down the debt. Trump had that opportunity and he pissed it away.
     
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    ...When has it gone down?
     
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    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/^DJI?p=^DJI
    You're definition of so fast must be different than all other people.
    The chart linked shows the market doing nothing for 2 yrs. tRUMP has been in office just over 2 yrs.
    Your retirement fund has done nothing for 2 yrs. Hope you aren't counting on stock price increases as part of retirement.

    Meanwhile, stock market nearly tripled, note that means 300%, increase during obama prez. Talk about breath taking, hey?
     

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    Your data is also suggesting the economy may be heading towards a recession.
    As the 10 yr minus 3 month chart indicates.
    It is getting close.
    And the market has stalled for 2 yrs.
     
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    And spending has gone up with it.
    If you look at national debt by year, you'll see that the debt has hit a milestone every year since the Great Recession. The only exception was 2015, due to lower spending. Here are some recent examples:


    • August 31, 2012: $16 trillion
    • October 17, 2013: $17 trillion
    • December 15, 2014: $18 trillion
    • January 29, 2016: $19 trillion
    • September 8, 2017: $20 trillion
    • March 15, 2018: $21 trillion
    • February 11, 2019: $22 trillion
    Not a big deal. In great economy to increase the debt, is it. Unless of course, a D is prez. Then it's the most important factor in the world.
     
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    So, you start a thread which has a title that sounds like clear right wing flame baiting.

    And, instead of talking about the lack of any ideas from one party, you go off in left field about something called “human capital loans”. And wonder why “the left” hasn’t embraced them, even though nobody but you and the blog you just read it in know what it is,

    Then, you go on to attack “the left” for not supporting a carbon tax.

    Which is very wierd, since it is the GOP that opposes carbon taxes, not the left. Ironically, carbon taxes were a Heritage Foundation idea (like Obamacare). And the right immediately abandoned them for two reasons. One is that they worked. And the other is that they didn’t wind up be benefitting the oil and coal industries.

    User fees for infrastruture?

    We’ve had them on a national level since 1926.

    And the only states which have raised user fees for infrastructure to keep up with inflation are the “liberal” ones. Successions of GOP Congress have refused to even consider the idea.

    “What’s the best way to raise wages? By lowering taxes on capital..”

    Sorry, but trickle down economics has never trickled down to the middle class. Heavily discounted capital gains taxation and various tricks like the carried interest deduction have lowered the wages of workers (as a percentage of the nation’s GDP) and materially aided in the massive transfer of wealth away from the middle class and toward the 1% since the 1960’s.

    This isn’t even a matter of debate. These effects are well documented.

    School vouchers drain the coffers of public educations and subsidize elite schools, another way to divide the elite from the working class.

    We have private retirement accounts now, another notion pushed by conseravatives. As a result, the baby boom will be the first generation of Americans to collectively retire worse off than their parents did,

    The rest is the usual right wing projection and blather.

    There are plenty of idea floating around amongst the various Democratic candidates.

    Regressive taxes, continuing to shift wealth to the already wealthy, balkenizing public education, and doing nothing about infrastructure are not among them, no matter what Town Hall tells you.
     
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    Funny, but it was Ronald Reagan who exploded the debt, tripled the national debt and left George HW Bush on the edge of a fiscal crisis.

    Then it was George W Bush who took a surplus and turned it into an instant deficit and doubled the National debt once more. He bequeathed the worst economic disaster since 1929 on Obama’s doorstep forcing Obama to borrow heavily and add to the already towering debt to keep the entire economy from collapsing.

    Now Trump is pouring on debt at a new record rate.

    And you Trumpsters just make empty claims like your post and look the other way.
     
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    And lets not forget the lord god Reagan, also implemented the tax on Social Security!
     
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    But the left has plenty of ideas trouble is they are all horrible involve growing government to even greater size. And legislating free choice out of the equation.
     
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    Sorry Congress did that. Not Reagan Every Budget Congress passed was larger by far than what Reagan had asked for.
     
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    Well duh! Do you realize what drives the spending? It ain't the military, it is 'mandatory' spending. You know, all the freebies the progressives love.
     
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    only during recessions. revenues would have been even higher had trump not slashed revenues by cutting taxes. But it's what republicans love to do. Slash revenue and spend like drunken 16 year old girls with daddy's credit card.
     
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    You seem unfamiliar with how bills become law. Every one of those budgets, had Reagans signature on them. He could have vetoed any one of them. But he didn't. Once signed into law by the president, he owns it.
     
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    So?

    After the first year, Reagan should have known better. But instead, he kept right on borrowing.

    The same pattern repeated itself with Bush, who had Republican Congresses, and Trump, who had one for the first two years.
     
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    Again Reagan didn't do crap. Congress passes the budget.
     
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    How some can't look at simple numbers and see how the R's put the country further into debt and usually recession is beyond me.
    It is simply rinse and repeat for them.
    They have been hoodwinked into believing raising debt is great when a R is in the WH, but can't talk about anything else when a D is in the WH.
    I don't think many in the RW even have a clue about the economy or how the world actually works.
     
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    So we don't even need the office of president then, according to you.
    For the office's signature on bills in pointless?
     
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    Name 1 time the R's have reduced gov't?
    With proof.
     
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