Does a growing GIG ECONOMY spell the end of Employee Benefits

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  1. 61falcon

    61falcon Well-Known Member

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    With the anticipated growth of the GIG Economy where workers are considered to be private contractors and not employees with medical coverage and fringe benefits.These private contractors like Uber and Lyft employees now being projected to comprise 40% of all jobs, within a few years, make it all the more important that everyone be covered by expanding Medicare for all.This is something ALL AMERICANS consider very seriously when they vote in 2020.
     
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    roorooroo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, I will consider this when I vote. I am going to vote against the authoritarians who place ever increasing mandates, requirements, and regulations on employers that essentially force them to resort to these "gig" tactics.
     
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    61falcon Well-Known Member

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    Then if you are an employee if you DEVER become part of the ever growing GIG economy you will be denied the rights that have been guaranteed EMPLOYEES by our legal system,basically you are on your own.
     
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    Employers gave benefits away to employees to attract them without raising wages.

    So, now is the point in time where jobs start weening off the employees of their benefits? How Scrooge-like. Do you think people are going to allow this travesty to take place forever? I don't. How long until a revolution takes place???
     
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    Why do you assume that people cannot make choices without government intervention?
     
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    Life is hard.
    Buy your own ****
     
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    61falcon Well-Known Member

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    IF YOUR OPTIONS ARE TAKEN AWAY, will you have a choice?????
     
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    Isn't that what progression means? Adjusting to a new environment? Or is it really regression, or stagnation, on the things you don't want to change?
     
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    Some people simply don't have the foresight to see the unintended consequences of ever-increasing over-burdensome government regulations. Utopia versus reality. Nanny state versus self reliance. Victimhood versus personal responsibility. Sometimes I just shake my head and feel sad for those people.
     
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    Some don't want to have to make choices, and some want their choices inflicted on others. It seems they think the government only has their best interest at heart....
     
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    As a private contractor you have NONE of the protections that our hard earned labor laws provide to those afforded employee status.
     
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    So easy to tell the posters who get their entire worldview from public union newsletters here.

    The topic is something I work with daily and clients pay me to guide them through. The fact is that it is extremely difficult for the average business to use/claim independent contractors.

    Uber and Lyft are terribad examples because taxi services are among the very few industries in existence amenable to lawful independent contracting. Uber/Lyft drivers use their own equipment, keep their own hours, are beholden only to very basic conduct guidelines and are free to accept or deny rides in their sole discretion. That's a contractor, not an employee.

    In the REST of the business world, states and the IRS have very ONEROUS requirements for classifying as contractors instead of employees, and will instantly "rubber stamp" any disputed classification as an employee until the employer jumps through numerous hoops and tests, spends lots of money on folks like me, to PROVE contractor status.

    For example, in my state, there has to be -0- or near -0- employer control of the contractor, no office hours, no specified work, no manuals, no job description, no performance review, etc., only the most basic requirements such as "don't go to our clients drunk" and the like; AND the contractor has to be "in the business" of providing the service, usually this means that they have other customers to whom they provide the same services. To be safest, it means they have their own business entity set up to provide the services to other customers.

    So, NO, employment status and all the perqs of it isn't going anywhere. Take it from someone who gets paid to know or a union newsletter, choice is yours.
     
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    That trend has been building since the early 2000s.
     
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    New Jersey is already taking action to try to slow down the growing trend to hiring private contract workers.So it is already reaching problem status in some areas.
     
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    New Jersey is already taking action to try to slow down the growing trend to hiring private contract workers.So it is already reaching problem status in some areas.
     
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    2008-2016 gig economy explodes. Democrats tell us this is good.

    2019 Democrats worry about gig economy growth.
     
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    Says the people who want to take away the option.
     
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    No we want companies to HIRE EMPLOYEES with fringe benefits as they have my entire life,however since 1980 the benefits have decreased dramatically and now they are about to disappear entirely.
     
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    I see "side gig" and "extra cash from second job" is foreign to the left.

    The reason why is obvious. Too much effort. Does not compute.
     
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    You apparently aren't bothered by employers no longer providing health benefits,vacation plans in some cases employee life insurance and other what were once common fringe benefits,which were never ever free but were reflected in acceptance of a lower weekly salary, but now will not be offered at all.
     
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    I'm certainly not bothered by a market designed as a side gig being a side gig.

    Please continue the quest to put more people on welfare though.
     
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    It's mostly about the inability of the bent-nose crowd to "organize" independent contractors into dues paying union members ;) and "wet their beaks."

    They couldn't give two Fs for employee or contractor well-being, so long as the dues are flowing to Tony S. and the ilk.
     
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    Exactly.

    They don't want people having the option to make money on their own terms.

    They only want people to be able to make money on the government's terms, under the control of Unions that are the primary bundler for Democrat kickbacks.
     
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    On a tangential note, this is why they instantly "go dark" in "wealth inequality" narrative discussions when we get to the point of citing -facts- of what the rich in the U.S. do with their billions...give it away hand over fist. The only difference between allowing Bill Gates to give his own money away and government taking it is that Fanucci doesn't get to wet his beak in the former scenario. Same for this union propaganda in the OP disguised as "concern for the American worker."

    OP =



    Wonder how many still fall for it?
     
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    The only strong unions today are teachers and government employees!!Those who are paid by taxpayers.
     

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