Does a growing GIG ECONOMY spell the end of Employee Benefits

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  1. Richard The Last

    Richard The Last Well-Known Member

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    I say let these "private contractors" purchase private insurance.
    Everyone does not need to be covered by Medicare. You want everyone covered medically then find that small percentage of Americans who do not have health care and sign them up for Medicare.
     
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    Baloney.

    The first state I checked on that "requires a Master's degree" list says this:

    https://www.asha.org/Advocacy/state/StateTeacherCredentialingRequirements/

    https://teach.com/careers/become-a-teacher/teaching-credential/state-requirements/alabama/

    Prerequisite Coursework in Alabama
    Every state requires teachers to have at least a bachelor’s degree to be certified. Teaching in Alabama will require an academic major in the required field with at least 32 semester hours of credit, including 19 semester hours of upper-level credit..

    Moreover, only 52% of ALL 3.3 million teachers currently have a masters degree.

    Why are they teaching?

    http://www.facethefactsusa.org/facts/private-or-public-schools-whos-ahead-by-degrees/

    But sure, the people who are making more than the median wage whining about their pay don't really care about compensation.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There will always be service industries. It is nearly impossible to find anyone to do any work around our house. Of course, most of those tasks require generating a little sweat and that would be cruel and unusual punishment.
     
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    That's the idea. Government does something, business adapts. Things have always been this way. It is the struggle between power (government) and profits (business.) It is important to understand that it is the profits, not the political power that makes your life better.
     
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    We are not talking about individuals who choose to own their own private business here,we are talking about large corporate entities like UBER and LYFT which despite employing thousands of drivers want to avoid all legal responsibility for them as employees instead claiming they are private contractors.There are now other companies beginning to take the same approach to get out from under offering legally mandated employee benefits to those who work for them.
     
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    Sounds like the more regulations the government puts on private business the more businesses will find ways to circumvent it. Perhaps the government should scale back and all of these mandates and allow private enterprises to operate via contract between themselves and employees. A company you wish to work for interviews you and determines your labor value to be worth X amount. The company may offer additional benefits or it may not, also part of the agreement that you as the individual have the freedom to accept or reject. If you agree to their assessment of your labor value then you take the job, if you disagree then you walk away.

    And being a private contractor for Uber or Lyft comes with perks such as using your own equipment and working whenever and for however long you personally feel like it. Uber and Lyft don't have schedules for people nor are they required to work any set amount of time. How exactly would fringe benefits work in a company who's employees can decide to work 80 hours per week or 2 hours every month?
     
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    Your first sentence should read “With the anticipated growth of IGNORANCE...” Uber and Lyft are proof of this. Besides drivers having no clue of operational costs they are just as clueless when it comes to self employment. Uber in most areas around the country is roughly $1/mile. Drivers make .75/mile. A very good Uber driver will only have about 50% dead miles, miles driven without passengers, bringing down the avg driver pay to .50/mile. The IRS allows .575/mile deduction for business use of a vehicle. Before Uber there was around 77,000 taxis, limos, livery vehicles registered in the country. Today we have about 1.2 million Uber/Lyft drivers fighting for the opportunity to make 1/3 of what the market was paying just 6 short years ago.

    So today we have more expensive vehicles, more expensive gas, more expensive insurance, more expensive maintenance/repair and only 1/3 the pay? Yep, ignorance at its finest. And Uber did it so very easy. Just slap a couple catch phrases on TV or the internet like “Make great money...Be your own boss...Get your side hustle on...” and watch the millions flock. People have told me that Uber will soon run out of people to hire and then I remind them that every year in the US another 3.8 million become the legal age to drive for Uber. The gig economy will always survive so long as ignorance is abundant in the US.
     
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    First off Uber doesn’t “employ” drivers. They contract drivers. Don’t forget that the fare for hire business has always been contract work. Taxi drivers have been leasing cabs and contracting fares since the days of the stagecoach. Uber didn’t change anything in the fare for hire business except the way a taxi is now hailed and the price. Instead of picking up the phone and calling for a cab one just has to pick up their smart phone and press a button. Instead of making $2.50/mile as they did 6 years ago drivers are now making $.75/mile.
     
  9. 61falcon

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    And now insurance companies are starting to include the question are you an Uber or Lyft driver on auto insurance applications.
     
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    Exactly!

    That does not make a study, let alone a study that would suggest CA is somehow unique.

    I pointed out the same problem in Idaho reached the seriousness that they took a case to the SCOTUS!
     
  11. WillReadmore

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    Any change toward health overage for all would look something like Medicare does today.

    It would free corporations from the creation and management of healthcare plans as well as the management of actual care - which corporations pay for today.

    Obviously, the cost of the Medicare coverage would be paid for by an increase in tax on these corporations.

    Medicare has proven itself to be highly cost effective. So, corporations would pay more, while being free of the entire cost of healthcare, but guessing the total cost of healthcare in our nation would increase is not justified.

    Today, small corporations point out that managing healthcare systems for their relatively small number of employees is a serious issue. Establishing and managing these systems means these small companies have to hire more employees just for this purpose - employees who aren't focused on furthering the business of the company.

    Also, today we have relatively arbitrary laws on which corporations much do this work and which ones don't have to. This has issues related to corporate decision making related to growth - or even existence as a company.
     
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    Well, that has to do with whether Uber and Lyft cover the risks associated with a taxi service.

    If they don't choose to do that, then the individual drivere absoltuely DOES have to get such coverage to protect themselves and their riders.
     
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    Ya it's unique, for all the glorious boasting that comes from that state it's subculture, poverty, crime and disregard for every state and American not in lockstep with their warped ideology is a standard of hypocrisy never seen before on this planet.. California is a breeding ground for and example of why socialism should be met and crushed with every and all means to do so..
     
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    You haven't shown that I'm not ABSOLUTLY correct in what I said.

    The fact that there are a lot of master's degrees in education is evidence that I am right.

    And, looking at ALABAMA as an American education standard is ABSURD - one state proves NOTHING.
     
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    Your claim - with NO supporting evidence.
     
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    .....and can steal it from someone else on their behalf
     
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    I absolutely have, as Alabama is one of the 36 states you said needed a Master's degree. That half of the teachers in America have a master's degree only proves that you don't need a master's degree to teach.

    You do not need a master's degree to be a teacher. Period T.

    Of course, you were just as wrong about teacher pay.

    In short, none of your claims exist in reality. They only exist to support your emotional narrative.
     
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    California has the 4th highest GDP in the world only 3 COUNTRIES have a higher annual GDP!!!!
     
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    Uber and Lyft don't exist if they're forced to treat their drivers as employees, and not contractors PERIOD

    The business model of ride sharing is frightfully unprofitable as it is, and if the companies had to absorb the insanely increased costs associated with treating and compensating all of their drivers as employees, then ride sharing is crushed like a bug. Crunch, and it would just cease to be. If the ride sharing companies tried to pass the added expenses associated with employee drivers on to the customers, each ride would be so ridiculously expensive, that again, ride sharing would cease to be.

    Leftists, such as yourself, see companies like Uber and Lyft like gigantic vaults stacked high with filthy corporate megabucks, and progressive rules and regulations can be clamped down on the E-vile corporations so that they'll be forced to open the vault door, and let the working man take his fair share of the the trove.

    No, it's not like that. Ride sharing only exists because of the streamlined cost of the contractor system. Switching over to an employee-based system isn't "sharing the wealth", what it would be is a bullet in the head of the entire entity of ride sharing.

    Maybe you think "Good, then do that, and kill ride sharing, and we'll go back to taxis." Um, no. Ride sharing is RADICALLY different than the old buggy whips that are taxis. I could explain how, but I don't feel like droning on. Just understand that taxis aren't even almost like ride sharing.

    In summation- if you force the employee system on ride sharing, you're killing ride sharing. Boom, dead.
     
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    Then why is it smeared in bum poop?
     
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    First of all- An employer has NO benefits, and huge obligations. An employee has huge benefits, and virtually no obligations. Employers have been on their own since day one.
    I would say to all those demanding equality that employers should get all the benefit from employees that employees get from them. It's about time we started guaranteeing profitability for employers too, and those employers are what makes everything else possible.

    An independent contractor trades away many of those benefits for the freedoms of setting his own hours and defining his own work. Just as an employer has to pay for his own benefits,
    an independent contractor IS in business for himself, and has that same privilege. Now if he is such a poor manager that he can't do that, he needs to go back to the shelter of a structured job.
     
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    So essentially, those who work and produce great things for the country would be required to pay for the healthcare of those who do absolutely nothing for the country, if not actually make the country worse?

    From each, according to success, to each, according to lack of success?
     
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    Alabama requires a master's degree and subject matter focus for class A teaching certification..

    They do have a Class B certification for those who only have a BS and subject matter focus.

    What I said about pay is absolutely correct.
     
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    Corporations do that NOW! They are required by law to offer quality health care plans to their employees.

    Medicare for all would mean that they don't have to do that.

    And, corporate management of healthcare requires these corporations to hire additional employees to design, manage and communicate these programs to employees, field employee desires, watch competitive issues with offerings from other companies and finally, most outsource the actual claims management.

    That's a LOAD when you consider that the corporation actually want to "work and produce great things" - not manage healthcare programs.
     
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    That requirement needs to be removed also. Simple. The free market will take care of it by allowing employers and employees to negotiate their terms.
     
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