Climate Change: You can deny, but you can't hide.

No there isn’t

And how do I know that

I have used google scholar to do my own reviews of the papers published

Want to do a review of a google scholar search and refute me? (Oh! Please please please try!)

 

Really? And you know this how?

 

Dear Gods and little fishes but can you find more ancient citations?

 

Reviewing a selected bunch of papers is a long way from coming to the conclusion that 97% completely agree with man made AGW.

 

It is not my claim to validate

You make the claim you back it

And this looks about as authentic as Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate!

Time for the reminder

DO NOT CONFUSE BAD JOURNALISM WITH GOOD SCIENCE

 

Random sampling.

Please let us do this search together

We will enter in the same search into google scholar review the papers and see how many state that AGW is not happening

I am up for it

 

That's not as important as OCO2.
OCO2 told us that if only we could get the Congo under control, we could save the planet. It also told us that by outsourcing all our manufacturing to China, we saved our planet while destroying theirs.
It also proved my point that as oceans warm they release their CO2.

 

Google scholar??? Like asking for a list of all the available alarmist info on Global. You're not going to find contrarian stuff there because they won't give it too you.

 

Mitch

What do you THINK the IPCC says about hurricanes?

You dodged the question I note and started blathering on using some picture grabbed off the internet that has no citation

 

More and more people die from heart disease and cancer because they're not dying from other things. Everyone dies from something.

 

Hiding from climate change? I'm rooting for it.

 

You can reject the scientific consensus in every scientific discipline - astronomy, geology, biology, medicine, ... lepidoptery!...

"Butterflies came from Mars where there
are yooj, saber-toothed ones!"​

... if your ideological dogma demands you do so, but please try to place your denial in perspective and respect how normal, educated folks regard it.

Among the US scientific societies, academies, and other organizations that recognize the reality of anthropogenic climate change:

• • American Association for the Advancement of Science
    American Chemical Society
  • American Geophysical Union
  • American Medical Association
  • American Meteorological Society
  • American Physical Society
  • The Geological Society of America
  • U.S. National Academy of Sciences
  • U.S. Global Change Research Program
  • Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
• ... and the following international scientific bodies that also hold the position that Climate Change has been caused by human action:

1. Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
2. Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
3. Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
4. Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
5. Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
6. Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
7. Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
8. Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
9. Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
10. Académie des Sciences, France
11. Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
12. Academy of Athens
13. Academy of Science of Mozambique
14. Academy of Science of South Africa
15. Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
16. Academy of Sciences Malaysia
17. Academy of Sciences of Moldova
18. Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
19. Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
20. Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
21. Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
22. Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
23. Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
24. African Academy of Sciences
25. Albanian Academy of Sciences
26. Amazon Environmental Research Institute
27. American Academy of Pediatrics
28. American Anthropological Association
29. American Association for the Advancement of Science
30. American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
31. American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
32. American Astronomical Society
33. American Chemical Society
34. American College of Preventive Medicine
35. American Fisheries Society
36. American Geophysical Union
37. American Institute of Biological Sciences
38. American Institute of Physics
39. American Meteorological Society
40. American Physical Society
41. American Public Health Association
42. American Quaternary Association
43. American Society for Microbiology
44. American Society of Agronomy
45. American Society of Civil Engineers
46. American Society of Plant Biologists
47. American Statistical Association
48. Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
49. Australian Academy of Science
50. Australian Bureau of Meteorology
51. Australian Coral Reef Society
52. Australian Institute of Marine Science
53. Australian Institute of Physics
54. Australian Marine Sciences Association
55. Australian Medical Association
56. Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
57. Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
58. Botanical Society of America
59. Brazilian Academy of Sciences
60. British Antarctic Survey
61. Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
62. California Academy of Sciences
63. Cameroon Academy of Sciences
64. Canadian Association of Physicists
65. Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
66. Canadian Geophysical Union
67. Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
68. Canadian Society of Soil Science
69. Canadian Society of Zoologists
70. Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
71. Center for International Forestry Research
72. Chinese Academy of Sciences
73. Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
74. Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
75. Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
76. Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
77. Crop Science Society of America
78. Cuban Academy of Sciences
79. Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
80. Ecological Society of America
81. Ecological Society of Australia
82. Environmental Protection Agency
83. European Academy of Sciences and Arts
84. European Federation of Geologists
85. European Geosciences Union
86. European Physical Society
87. European Science Foundation
88. Federation of American Scientists
89. French Academy of Sciences
90. Geological Society of America
91. Geological Society of Australia
92. Geological Society of London
93. Georgian Academy of Sciences
94. German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
95. Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
96. Indian National Science Academy
97. Indonesian Academy of Sciences
98. Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
99. Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
100. Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
101. Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
102. InterAcademy Council
103. International Alliance of Research Universities
104. International Arctic Science Committee
105. International Association for Great Lakes Research
106. International Council for Science
107. International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
108. International Research Institute for Climate and Society
109. International Union for Quaternary Research
110. International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
111. International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
112. Islamic World Academy of Sciences
113. Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
114. Kenya National Academy of Sciences
115. Korean Academy of Science and Technology
116. Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
117. l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
118. Latin American Academy of Sciences
119. Latvian Academy of Sciences
120. Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
121. Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
122. Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
123. Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
124. National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
125. National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
126. National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
127. National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
128. National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
129. National Aeronautics and Space Administration
130. National Association of Geoscience Teachers
131. National Association of State Foresters
132. National Center for Atmospheric Research
133. National Council of Engineers Australia
134. National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
135. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
136. National Research Council
137. National Science Foundation
138. Natural England
139. Natural Environment Research Council, UK
140. Natural Science Collections Alliance
141. Network of African Science Academies
142. New York Academy of Sciences
143. Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
144. Nigerian Academy of Sciences
145. Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
146. Oklahoma Climatological Survey
147. Organization of Biological Field Stations
148. Pakistan Academy of Sciences
149. Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
150. Pew Center on Global Climate Change
151. Polish Academy of Sciences
152. Romanian Academy
153. Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
154. Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
155. Royal Astronomical Society, UK
156. Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
157. Royal Irish Academy
158. Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
159. Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
160. Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
161. Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
162. Royal Society of Canada
163. Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
164. Royal Society of the United Kingdom
165. Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
166. Russian Academy of Sciences
167. Science and Technology, Australia
168. Science Council of Japan
169. Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
170. Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
171. Scripps Institution of Oceanography
172. Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
173. Slovak Academy of Sciences
174. Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
175. Society for Ecological Restoration International
176. Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
177. Society of American Foresters
178. Society of Biology (UK)
179. Society of Systematic Biologists
180. Soil Science Society of America
181. ... On the other hand, opposing the overwhelming scientific consensus are these characters:​

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Show me a poll of individual scientists.

 

And they are all doing work you are unable to comprehend so you repeat drivel from media sources. You and media are science deniers. You denied science in this thread.

 

The IPCC is a UN entity, which makes it political. It has to please the abundance of sh*thole countries in the world who want the US to pay them $2B annually.

The named hurricane record reads like the evolution of the use of satellites in monitoring and tracking hurricanes.

To understand Climate Science, you have to have your finger on the pulse of intimidation. The RICO 20 threatening lawsuits under the RICO Act was designed to silence people skeptical of the political science of Climate Change.

In answer to your question, the Climate Industry to include US government agencies admit to being clueless. Everything they know is inferred from models that have failed to predict yesterday's weather.
https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/

 

Of course global warming is real. Of course global warming is caused by our co2. Of course it's happening more rapidly than scientists predicted it would. Of course there will be deniers to climate change. These are facts.

Climate change is advancing so rapidly that it's even stunning scientists. Climate change is endangering our earth and all that live on it. Yet, people in power will continue to convince others that it's not. The entire planet is at risk, and perhaps will perish under the weight of this ignorance even before the global warming that they so vehemently deny, destroys our civilization.

Those who refuse to accept that global warming is happening will never acknowledge that it actually is. They have invested far too much in their identity as deniers. The time is quickly coming when it can no longer be explained, excused or denied. By that time, it's far too late to do anything about it.

Climate deniers are people who think in terms of absolutes, black and white. These are people who, like the Apostle Thomas, will have to see the proof, touch it with their own hands, experience the wrath of environmental destruction. These are not 'reasonable' people and attempts to bring together any accord with them is futile. Science is futile, facts are futile. “There are none so blind” refers to this level of intentional ignorance and such ignorance is dangerous at many levels.

Once the Amazon, which is 10 million years old, exists no more, neither does our planet. At that point we'll all look to the Amazon and say aloud, 'what have we done?'

 

The poster I was responding to before you interjected denied human contribution to global warming. You seem to be saying you don’t deny human contribution to global warming. If you had bothered to read the thread and used a smidgen of critical thought you would have realized that. So what is your major malfunction?

 

I’m tired of people like you proclaiming operations from the high ground when you are nothing more than science deniers and appeal to emotion/authority advocates. You talk about know-nothings when the OP and yourself are admitted know-nothings. When the blatant untruths you spout are exposed you don’t care. It’s dogmatism on display. Yet you keep coming back criticizing others for behavior you exhibit over and over. I’m just saying, if you cared about the issue as much as you say, you would not use such tactics.

 

Global warming is absolutely real. It's been real several times.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_temperature_record

 

If human beings are going to continue to multiply, fill the Earth and subdue it, we are going to need a warmer, wetter climate with atmospheric CO2 between 1200ppm and 1600ppm.

 

The reality is that the vast majority of people do not believe you. You eco-doomsayers are a small minority. Humanity is not going to do ANY of the things that eco-doomsayers say MUST be done NOW. Factor that into your computer models and then tell me exactly when will eco-doomsday be upon us?

 

when?

 

Why do you eco-doomsayers wait to do anything until you can compel a few remaining climate denying holdouts to join you? Are you really willing to let eco-doom come to pass if you can't get absolutely everyone to do as you claim you want to do?

 

What is your goal for humanity?
I want to see human beings multiply, fill the Earth and subdue it.

What is your environmental goal? Is it to minimize human impact on the environment?
My environmental goal is to maximize human wellbeing.

Do you believe that human beings are "unnatural"?
Do you believe that human beings can produce anything that is "unnatural"?
Do you believe that anything is "unnatural"?
I don't. I believe in the natural and the supernatural, but I don't believe that anything is "unnatural".

 

My environmental goal is also to maximize human wellbeing - but this is a platitude of sorts - everyone will say yes to this.

Humans have already multiplied, filled the Earth and subdued it - ?! - in doing so we have endangered the ecological balance.

To maximixe wellbeing - we need to stop endangering the balance. Ocean Pollution is top of the list - it is the most clear and present danger. The ocean is not a garbage can -and we are reaching the limit of what the Ocean is able to process.

Unlike global warming predictions for the future - we have measurable effects right now - and we know the causal relationship - and the math is far more accurate - the predictions far more reliable.

2 major factors impacting the Ocean pollution are population growth and industrialization of those populations. More people - more consumption - more industrialization more consumption. China was 11 in the study I read a decade ago. industrialized nations were at 36 - someone eating a bowl of rice a day in Africa - (1) ... this was measuring consumption.

The study stated that if China was to reach our level of consumption - world resource production would need to double. When you consume more - you create more pollution ..and the process of industrialization is particularly dirty.

At the time 1.4 Billion were industrialized - our of 7 Billion. If our current consumption is already having measurable effects - what happens when we double that consumption ...say we industrialize 1.4 Billion more over 20 years. Notice that in 2030 - 20 years later - the Earths population is predicted to be 8.5 Billion .. so even though we doubled consumption of 1.4 Billion people - we did not make a dent in the non-industrialized total.

If one can't see the disaster at the end of this scenario - one do not have eyes.

This is down a different path .. and not sure how it relates. Of course humans can product things that are against nature ... that would be the definition of un-natural would it not ?